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Old Mar 26, 2012, 09:46 AM   #26
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Apple believes in this enough to give it away for free in order for others to adopt it. What are some of the other proposals?
There are non its just that other companies are terrified of Apple right now.
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 09:48 AM   #27
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However, good luck explaining that to an American, where their chained into 2-year contracts and a single carrier from birth to death.
I've had 3 of the 4 major US carriers thank you very much. Totally switching to #4 (Verizon) when the LTE iPhone comes out, too.
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 09:50 AM   #28
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...with a catch
Yeah, we'll give you ours for free if you don't charge us for yours. Seems like a fair catch. Apple is trying to make this a free standard, why would they want to pay someone else of their product?
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 09:51 AM   #29
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I've had 3 of the 4 major US carriers thank you very much. Totally switching to #4 (Verizon) when the LTE iPhone comes out, too.
Yes well you are, no offense, a bit weird then. I think the carrier churn rates are all under 5%, so by definition you're part of a minority crowd.

I understand the theoretical uses for a SIM card, but I have never once in my life actually removed a SIM card for any reason other than to look at it. (Wheee!)

I think I'm pretty average for an American in regards to this.
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 09:52 AM   #30
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What comes after the nano SIM? Since there'll be no more dead plastic to cut off, I guess the next step will be an embedded SIM, containing just a built in chip?
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 09:54 AM   #31
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Why don't they use a device to load the data stored in the SIM directly on the iPhone? It would be surely more painless than changing a 14-year old standard, and could provide a smart way to prevent iTheft.
In a word, cloning. The SIM card stores the authentication keys used to encrypt any communication between your device and the network. As soon as you offer a mechanism to download this data to a device, no matter how secure you think the algorithms are, you are opening yourself up to a world of problems.
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 09:56 AM   #32
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I've had 3 of the 4 major US carriers thank you very much. Totally switching to #4 (Verizon) when the LTE iPhone comes out, too.
good for you buddy.

how does it feel to be in the minority?
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 10:08 AM   #33
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I'm curious about how a change in the dock connector would be received by consumers. There's such a huge collection of peripherals for the current dock connector. I wonder how many people would be willing to give them up. I bought three recent accessories with the current dock connector built into them, and they weren't cheap. I know that all technology changes over time, but I wouldn't be happy if I had to ditch my current accessories in order to upgrade my iDevices.

Wouldn't it be nice if Apple had a published road map of what their future held so we all could know what not to buy? (I'm sure their competition would love that.)
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 10:09 AM   #34
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Excuse me? If I said something impossible to accomplish, please explain why it is. I thought the Internet was for sharing.
Asked and answered....
Here: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/10/27/...rd-for-iphone/

and here: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/db917464-f...#axzz1qEfiVYgL

and here: https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+sim+built+in
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 10:11 AM   #35
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I hope Apple gets screwed on this, for shafting the rest of the planet on LTE connectivity in the "new iPad".
It's not Apple's fault that LTE is pretty much non-existent in Europe.
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 10:13 AM   #36
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Such as...?

Come on, don't leave us hanging.

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Old Mar 26, 2012, 10:14 AM   #37
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That 14 year old standard you're complaining about is one of the greatest innovations in mobile technology since the cell phone was invented.
The SIM "CARD" is one of the greatest inventions in mobile technology? Are you kidding me? Perhaps a great invention for the purpose of locking consumers into contracts? For being a tangible external eyesore and pain in the a**? For holding back new phone designs for the last 15 years?

No, the SIM Card * (in it's current form) is not an innovation in my eyes. It's whole purpose could be easily generated through software to provide a more sophisticated, but user friendly application.

20 years from now people will be laughing at the notion of us sticking little pieces of cardboard into the side of our phones to make them work. Frankly, it's ridiculous, archaic and not fit for the 21st century.

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Old Mar 26, 2012, 10:19 AM   #38
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There are non its just that other companies are terrified of Apple right now.
You are one very misinformed fellow. There is an alternative proposal supported by Nokia, RIM and Motorola.
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 10:20 AM   #39
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As a consumer don't want these nano-SIMS. The micro SIMS are already to small, difficult to handle and easy to loose - nano sims will be bastard things to try and deal with
Makes. No. Sense. Generally a consumer will never handle a SIM. Some, who are brave enough, and also have an unlocked phone, will swap out on international trips for a local SIM to save money. Most business people will not do this, however, because they need the same number everywhere they go.

OTOH a consumer interacts with their phone multiple times a day. Saving internal space to add more battery life or make it slimmer or add some new capability are things non-geek consumers actually care about more. Ask a random person on the street where their SIM is. If they know I bet they don't know how to open the tray b/c they never have had a need to get inside.
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 10:20 AM   #40
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For those asking what and why, etc.: The reason you would want this is twofold.

1. The vast majority of people don't juggle or ever eject their SIMs, but when it's necessary (emergency device replacement, for example), it's nice to have a reasonable way to access it. If the entire device is destroyed and the SIM is part of the logic board, it's definitely lost.
2. It allows people who never would need to eject their SIM, and even people who WOULD need to eject it, to have a smaller footprint, which leaves that tiny bit of room for things like better chips or a little more battery. This benefits everyone.

For the SIM-juggling people who complain about it being incredibly small and hard not to lose, that's a sad story. HOWEVER, it's such a marginal situation that it's really not fair to the 99.9% of people on the planet who, frankly, shouldn't do without the benefits because you feel a need to constantly change your SIM while lacking manual dexterity and/or good memory to deal with it.
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 10:21 AM   #41
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Do you know what the phrase "but there's a catch" even means? Your irrelevant link tells me you don't....
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 10:22 AM   #42
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It's not Apple's fault that LTE is pretty much non-existent in Europe.
lol.

LTE was here first and a greater percentage of the population is using it.

you've bought into the hype of having XXX number of million people covered.

for example, verizon has 200M people "covered" and 5.5M use it.

LOL

http://phandroid.com/2012/02/28/veri...vered-with-it/
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 10:22 AM   #43
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You are one very misinformed fellow. There is an alternative proposal supported by Nokia, RIM and Motorola.
And I'm sure it's superior, and 100% free as well? I mean, God knows Moto just loves to do that....
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You are one very misinformed fellow. There is an alternative proposal supported by That Has Been, Bankrupt and Google's Worst Decision.
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 10:24 AM   #45
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1. The vast majority of people don't juggle or ever eject their SIMs, but when it's necessary (emergency device replacement, for example),
"vast majority of people" ≠ Americans (who get locked-in and who never travel ... because they don't actually have any vacation days ... lol)
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 10:24 AM   #46
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Such as...?

Come on, don't leave us hanging.
Sarcasm is clearly misplaced here. The catch is described in the original article. Apple offers its patent for free on condition that others will stop charging for their FRAND patents. They probably believe that the patent of a shape of a piece of cardboard is equally important as the patents on 3G etc. The most disgusting part here is that in order to make their patent a standard Apple are buying seats on the standard body.
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 10:24 AM   #47
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Apple believes in this enough to give it away for free in order for others to adopt it. What are some of the other proposals?
I'm assuming similar. But will be in debate for ages (years) for the standard. Plus, they'd probably want royalties from patents.

Apple will give all away royalties to get this moving.

$100,000,000 give you the options to do things like that

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Old Mar 26, 2012, 10:26 AM   #48
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Yeah, we'll give you ours for free if you don't charge us for yours. Seems like a fair catch. Apple is trying to make this a free standard, why would they want to pay someone else of their product?
Thing is, the other companies most likely have a lot of technology that Apple needs in order to build the iPhone (hence all the lawsuits over FRAND patents and such recently). Apple is trying to get their new SIM technology passed as the standard so they can get access to the technology of other companies for free.

It's not really a fair trade because other companies have their own versions, which means that the original idea isn't exclusive to Apple. However, with some of the technology that Apple hopes to be able to use for free, Motorola/Samsung actually did invent.

It's definitely a smart move by Apple, and considering the number of seats they bought on ETSI, it will probably even work. But there's an ulterior motive to their actions nonetheless, which is to be expected because Apple wouldn't still be in business of it decided to give stuff away for free all the time. There's always a catch.
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And I'm sure it's superior, and 100% free as well? I mean, God knows Moto just loves to do that....
Yes, it is superior:

1. It has different dimensions than micro-SIM thus preventing users from jamming nano-SIMs into micro-SIMs slots.
2. It does not require a drawer

and, obviously, it's offered for free (with no conditions).
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The SIM "CARD" is one of the greatest inventions in mobile technology? Are you kidding me? Perhaps a great invention for the purpose of locking consumers into contracts? For being a tangible external eyesore and pain in the a**? For holding back new phone designs for the last 15 years?

No, the SIM Card * (in it's current form) is not an innovation in my eyes. It's whole purpose could be easily generated through software to provide a more sophisticated, but user friendly application.

20 years from now people will be laughing at the notion of us sticking little pieces of cardboard into the side of our phones to make them work. Frankly, it's ridiculous, archaic and not fit for the 21st century.
I would rather not having to hook up the phone to a computer to "download" the SIM information. It's just much simplier to swap SIM card if needed without downloading anything. You mean the SIM holder on the iPhone is an eyesore? And software-based SIM card won't lock you into a contract? I can take my SIM card right now, and place it into ANY carrier-compatible phone, and it'll work right away. No software. No downloading. Works on dumbphone too.
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