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Apple Apparently Reached Settlement over Search for Lost Prototype iPhone 4S

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Tones2

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charlituna said:
Perhaps he had no comment because he didn't want to admit that it was all a fraud.

If you go back and look at the whole thing there are way way too many holes. From the security cameras that conveniently deleted everything to the Linked In profile that was as unprofessional as it comes and was conveniently deleted just after some blog would have had time to search the name (come on, we know anyone tipped off to this story would have done that right off). There was no proof on either side what was said to this Mr Calderon in regards to who was what. For all we know they never said anything suggesting that the other men were also cops, or any of the whole "let us in or we'll have you and your family and everyone you never talked to deported" nonsense that he claimed.

The police can and will, if asked, go to a private home as an escort to allow the private citizen to ask about missing items if they believe that doing so will prevent a fight etc. We don't even know that it was a prototype. Maybe it was just the guys personal phone. As for the whole working at Apple thing even the kids that work at their stores have business cards. It would be easy to trump one up after getting one at the local store.

It was all suspect to the max. This guy might have been in on it or perhaps he was duped by Mr Calderon. It could be that yes there were talks where Apple pointed out that there was no proof of anything Mr Calderon said and if they took it to court it would be dismissed within 5 minutes. And Mr Moore is being quiet and not saying anything because he doesn't want to look like an idiot. And it's this blog that is trying to make it sound like he's all "wink, wink we know what no comment really means". It wouldn't be the first time a blog exaggerated to get page hits
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Ugh......:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Tony
 
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charlituna

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Tones2 said:
I always love the fact that no one here cares that Apple actually invaded a person's home illegally and deceptively.
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Prove it happened. At all. Much less the way Mr Calderon claims.

You can't. Neither can he. He can't even prove he was at the bar or that anyone from Apple was because conveniently the security tapes are wiped after only like 72 hours. And the cops conveniently didn't bother to ask for the tapes before then as part of their helping Apple.
 
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Tones2 said:
I always love the fact that no one here cares that Apple actually invaded a person's home illegally and deceptively. Yes, this is front page news. Another case of fanboys ignoring, accepting or making excuses for anything that Apple does wrong.

Tony
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I completely agree... Its disgusting. A complete violation of privacy
 
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halhiker

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They probably should have added...

And when this reporter tried to reach Mr. Calderon directly it was found he no longer lived at his previous address but instead has moved to a multi-million dollar estate in the Bay area.
 
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Tones2 said:
Ugh......:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Tony
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If you don't like the fact that I have a brain and I use it to read and think through things myself that is your issue. But it doesn't change that neither you, Mr Calderon or any of the blogs that reported this situation can prove that any of it happened the way he claims.

Apple would be quick to point this out and wouldn't settle with someone that has a bogus and unproveable claim like this. Which makes this new report just as suspect and just as likely to be page hit fodder rather than the truth. Classic gossip rag tactic.

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unlinked said:
There were reports at the time that the guy who found the iPhone 4 called Apple
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He apparently called Apple Care. Not Apple Inc.

Also, that phone call, if it happened, wouldn't have been an effort to return the phone. He knew it belonged to someone that worked at Apple because he invaded the guys privacy and looked at the Facebook logged in on the phone. It was a sort drive to the campus and he could have handed it to the guard at the gate. Or even just left it at the bar, with or without hitting the guy on Facebook with a 'dude you left your phone at the bar, I gave it to rico the bartender'.

the truth is that this guy, as backed up by his roommates, saw a chance to get a free iPhone and lucked into it being a prototype. He didn't bother to return it and had no real intentions to try. and then he sold it and gizmodo was stupid enough to happily admit they bought it. the only reason they weren't tried was because the DA deemed it not worth the cost for the punishment these guys were likely to receive (which would have been something like a years probation, perhaps a 3 month jail sentence they would serve 3 hours of max due to overcrowding and maybe a pittance of a fine)
 
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Tones2 said:
I always love the fact that no one here cares that Apple actually invaded a person's home illegally and deceptively. Yes, this is front page news. Another case of fanboys ignoring, accepting or making excuses for anything that Apple does wrong.

Tony
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I always laugh at posts like these. Funny, up to the point of your original post, nobody was saying this was okay, nor were they making excuses. As a matter of fact if anyone said anything a few posts up from this one it's the opposite of what you're suggesting. But oh well, apparently for some it's cooler to hold a grudge with people that don't criticize everything explicitly. Another case of people being so eager to point out flaws that they imagine in their own head that they don't bother to actually do so within any relevant context. One could wait until someone made excuses before criticizing them.
 
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mantan

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Tones2 said:
I always love the fact that no one here cares that Apple actually invaded a person's home illegally and deceptively. Yes, this is front page news. Another case of fanboys ignoring, accepting or making excuses for anything that Apple does wrong.

Tony
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Or more specifically if God forbid any other competitor to Apple did this, people here would be having a field day. Just imagine if HTC, Google, Samsung, fill in the blank cell phone manufacturer (allegedly) did this.

Heck, AT&T can make one change to the terms of service that costs everyone an extra nickel and there will be 10 pages of people going ape*****. Yet a story about potential rights being violated gets a collective 'meh'.
 
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doctor-don

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MarkMS said:
I don't want to sound like the moral police, but why don't these people that find phones actually help find the owners? I'm sure these prototypes have Apple inscribed all on them and that it's not supposed to be used outside of Apple's headquarters.

I wish I found a lost iPhone prototype. I'd try to find the Apple engineer or email Tim Cook letting them know I have it and will await instructions to deliver it back to them. All I'd ask for is a quick tour of the Apple campus and maybe some lunch or Tim's autograph on my iPad.

PS. I agree that the way Apple acted was wrong too.
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the way Apple acted was wrong
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- according to whom?

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Tones2 said:
I always love the fact that no one here cares that Apple actually invaded a person's home illegally and deceptively. Yes, this is front page news. Another case of fanboys ignoring, accepting or making excuses for anything that Apple does wrong.

Tony
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What article were YOU reading? Oh, you just read the underlined links that are speculation. The guy and his lawyer cannot comment because they settled because ...

That is the extent of what you know.
 
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Tones2

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Duh. Apple settled! They wouldn't have unless they dod something wrong. Come on - it's APPLE. They fight everything. This must have been cut and dry. Jeez....:rolleyes:

Tony
 
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mantan said:
Or more specifically if God forbid any other competitor to Apple did this, people here would be having a field day. Just imagine if HTC, Google, Samsung, fill in the blank cell phone manufacturer (allegedly) did this.

Heck, AT&T can make one change to the terms of service that costs everyone an extra nickel and there will be 10 pages of people going ape*****. Yet a story about potential rights being violated gets a collective 'meh'.
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Link?
 
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Tones2 said:
I always love the fact that no one here cares that Apple actually invaded a person's home illegally and deceptively. Yes, this is front page news. Another case of fanboys ignoring, accepting or making excuses for anything that Apple does wrong.

Tony
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Not really. I'd love to know just what the hell Apple was doing - with or without the police. But it sounds like we'll never know since no one can/will comment.

It is (WAS) front page news... but it's old news. This blurb basically says "no further information is available regarding this months-old case." That's all I was saying.
 
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Theriault's departure along with the inferred settlement suggests that that search probably did go down as originally described, with Apple agents impersonating police officers (if not through direct assertion, then through omission).

Apple's dismissal of Theriault was entirely appropriate if that was the case.
 
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Eriden said:
Theriault's departure along with the inferred settlement suggests that that search probably did go down as originally described, with Apple agents impersonating police officers (if not through direct assertion, then through omission).

Apple's dismissal of Theriault was entirely appropriate if that was the case.
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Or he retired.

Consider that this incident was in August. You really think they would let him hang out for 3 more months if he did something like the rumors claim
 
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He claimed that the Apple security officers who searched his home had given the impression that they were police officers, thus making their search of his home an illegal breach of his rights.
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Apple employees cannot "breach" anyone's rights by searching their house. They can trespass. They can assault. They can impersonate a law enforcement officer. They can falsely imprison. But they cannot "breach" rights by searching. The protections against illegal search and seizure apply to government entities to protect citizens against law enforcement excesses.

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William.Mantle said:
I completely agree... Its disgusting. A complete violation of privacy
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And if you let anyone into your home without seeing a badge and a warrant, you would deserve to be violated too.
 
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Ya seeing how litigious on the drop of a dime Apple can be.....I am sure they would cross all the T's and dot all the I's legally before doing this raid / visit etc.


If indeed Apple security did do this the way it was presented, well then you would have to assume they had done it before, or did it more often then people realized. I am guessing they didn't do it because we definitely would have heard about other lawsuits previously, especially with other lost phones etc in the wild. Also would it not be the job of the Police officers to inform the guy, who was police and who was Apple security?......how come he didn't sue the Police dept as well?
 
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William.Mantle

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scoobydoo99 said:
Apple employees cannot "breach" anyone's rights by searching their house. They can trespass. They can assault. They can impersonate a law enforcement officer. They can falsely imprison. But they cannot "breach" rights by searching. The protections against illegal search and seizure apply to government entities to protect citizens against law enforcement excesses.

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And if you let anyone into your home without seeing a badge and a warrant, you would deserve to be violated too.
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Wow... Do you read what you write?

To be honest you sound a little too devoted to Apple.
 
lostngone

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Sooo....

SFPD conducted an "internal investigation" and Apple has "no comment".

So I guess this leaves us exactly where we started.
 
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William.Mantle said:
Wow... Do you read what you write?

To be honest you sound a little too devoted to Apple.
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I'm not sure to what you are referring. I was stating the types of crimes that private citizens (e.g. Apple employees) could be guilty of. That has noting to do with devotion to Apple. :confused:
 
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