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Oracle Releases Java Development Kits for OS X as Work on Java SE 7 for Mac Continues
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Maybe so, but if you use Oracle tools then you need to have java. I support a number of oracle platforms and having Java installed on my computer is a must
And how many of them are currently deployed, available to execute in all recent versions of every major web browser in the world currently receiving vendor support, ready (almost) to deliver on the promise of making HTML5 worthy Flash replacement, and capable of executing without the need to install plug-ins (a non-starter for closed gardens such as Mobile Safari)?
Oh, that's right:
Zero.
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There is no Java (the runtime engine, which is what we're discussing in this context) in Android.
The Android SDK takes Java (the source code language), and translates it to target a separate, incompatible runtime engine named Dalvik.
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You do realize that desktop Java helps to keep OS X relevant in many areas, right?
I write and have written many, many desktop Java applications that do a wide variety of tasks. By writing in Java, it means that client computers can be running Windows, Linux, or OS X. The same with thousands of other Java desktop applications.
If you end desktop Java, programmers like myself are going to write for what the client is running which most likely will be Windows computers. Since they are paying I doubt they are going to let me write it in say Visual Studio and then port my code to Xcode.
Without that cross platform support you are really hurting other OSs and making Windows stronger.
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Or set the project to work in Java 6 if you suspect there may be clients involved that have not downloaded their JRE from oracle.com
(Which is still likely since JRE 7 its still in a testing stage and not offered for automatic download or as a download on java.com )
If you're compiling yourself using javac, then include the target parameter:
javac -target 1.6
or
javac -target 6
(They're just synonyms for each other)
Funny that this thread comes up today actually, just looking through another Google Code project and guess what.... won't work in Java 6 
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Elitist
It doesn't get more elitist than to hear an Apple fanboy say
"Let's just get rid of Java altogether, we don't need it!"
LOL
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Exactly! LOL!!!!
It doesn't get more elitist than to hear an Apple fanboy say
"Let's just get rid of Java altogether, we don't need it!"
LOL
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If we banished Javascript, we wouldn't have the pleasure of -1 your post
Exactly! LOL!!!!
It is interesting that your article now quotes the 600,000 Macs number as a fact without wrapping it in "Dr. Web, an Anti-Virus vendor claims that".
Is MacRumors just being lazy or do claims just get promoted to fact after you say it enough?
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It doesn't get more populist than to hear a person call another person a 'fanboy'
I also have written many applications over about 14 years that are in Java. Almost all are "internal" for companies I've worked for. (Note I'm an Electrical Engineer and programming as a part, although not the primary part of my job.) Originally I used Java to get Sun Solaris / Windows compatiblilty, later Linux became a factor. The fact that the software also runs natively on a Mac is at least a personal bonus for me!
I'd love to see Java on iOS devices as I have a couple of programs that would be ideal in that format, but that will never happen with Apple.
J2EE dev here. I'm very excited about having a Sun/Oracle supported JDK. I've been using the linux version of JDeveloper on Mac, which requires some minor hacks just to install. To be clear, I'm forced to use JDeveloper, and based on my experience with it I have no confidence that it runs properly in JDK7 yet.
Don't forget, you can become part of the OpenJDK initiative on Mac OS X!
Don't forget, you can become part of the OpenJDK initiative on Mac OS X!
Nothing wrong with Javascript. Better idea to ban bad developers who don't know how to implement it properly.
The big questions, I think: How do we keep the new JVM up to date, if not via Software Update? (Not that a weekly Software Update was nearly prompt enough - Windows handles this a little better)
And will Apple still bother to supply security fixes for 10.6's JVM? My 32-bit Mini makes a fantastic CrashPlan backup sink.
I fear I'll have to learn Ubuntu (again) much faster than I'd like to.
And will Apple still bother to supply security fixes for 10.6's JVM? My 32-bit Mini makes a fantastic CrashPlan backup sink.
I fear I'll have to learn Ubuntu (again) much faster than I'd like to.
The big questions, I think: How do we keep the new JVM up to date, if not via Software Update? (Not that a weekly Software Update was nearly prompt enough - Windows handles this a little better)
And will Apple still bother to supply security fixes for 10.6's JVM? My 32-bit Mini makes a fantastic CrashPlan backup sink.
I fear I'll have to learn Ubuntu (again) much faster than I'd like to.
I don't really like the Window's task tray updater. It's just always on. Because Apple has Settings panels for controlling setting the current JVM versions and options, I would think Software Update will get the latest release.
Platform independence and backwards compatibility are two utterly unrelated concepts. Java may not be the idyllic WORA language it once claimed to be, but that's not the problem you ran into -- that was just lack of proper requirements gathering on your part.Heck even for a University assignment this semester I ran into issues where I'd developed everything on my PC running the latest Java version, and then it just wouldn't run on my Macs as I'd used same Java 7 features (multi-catch exception handling, try-with-resource statements, etc). And of-course, were University's lab PCs even running Java 7? No they ****ing weren't
Ended up hacking my code to pieces to make it work properly on Java 6.
Rages me when people go on about how Java is platform independent.
The big questions, I think: How do we keep the new JVM up to date, if not via Software Update? (Not that a weekly Software Update was nearly prompt enough - Windows handles this a little better)
And will Apple still bother to supply security fixes for 10.6's JVM? My 32-bit Mini makes a fantastic CrashPlan backup sink.
I fear I'll have to learn Ubuntu (again) much faster than I'd like to.
To expand on this: in general, people don't want or need the JDK, they just want the JVM. The way the article is worded, the JDK is being downloaded by Java developers to test their stuff on Java 7 before they release the JVM 7 update to consumers. I would assume the JVM will come from Software update and the JDK will come separately, perhaps also through software update once the JVM is ready.
Oh sorry. I meant the way Windows pushes security updates - more often than once a week, which I think is still the default on 10.7. I forgot that Java is not included, and that its updater is an abomination in fact. Didn't it even try to push crapware? (I looked it up - it nudged users to install OOo in 2009) I know my mom absolutely hates Java now, without knowing what it even is.
Anyway, I hope the JVM (not JDK) update process will stay at least as good as it is now - in Software Update - and possibly even better. If it'd need manual updates, it would certainly be a step forward for Apple who can blame it all on Oracle, but a step back for users.
Nice signature, I also bought the One X to try out Android. I like the hardware and out-of-the-box design a lot.
Really? Name one that has native browser support in all popular mobile and desktop browsers.
You are obviously not a web developer.
Lion only still
"The installer only supports Lion".
The earlier Oracle page said that this was tested in Snow Leopard, but I'm not sure how if the installer only works in Lion. I've not upgraded to Lion, have no immediate plans to, so I guess I can't try out this JDK.
"The installer only supports Lion".
The earlier Oracle page said that this was tested in Snow Leopard, but I'm not sure how if the installer only works in Lion. I've not upgraded to Lion, have no immediate plans to, so I guess I can't try out this JDK.
I am not denying the fact that niche market for desktop Java apps exist, especially in enterprises. But desktop Java has become a rarity for more typical Mac users. By and large, Java's strongholds are mobile and servers.
In any case, many Java developers prefer to develop in OS X, so Oracle offering Java for OS X is a win-win for both Java developers and Apple.
Java is not as bad as Objective C.
I'd be interested in seeing Apple move away from Objective C.
Objective C syntax isn't developer friendly and there's a performance hit with message passing.
Apple could push for C# on LLVM and take .Net out of the equation.
This project is a start:
http://blog.prabir.me/post/LLVM-e28093-Native-C-Compiler.aspx
Java on LLVM is another possibility with VMkit: http://vmkit.llvm.org/
Dynamic a languages could also be supported via the Parrot VM http://www.parrot.org/
I'd be interested in seeing Apple move away from Objective C.
Objective C syntax isn't developer friendly and there's a performance hit with message passing.
Apple could push for C# on LLVM and take .Net out of the equation.
This project is a start:
http://blog.prabir.me/post/LLVM-e28093-Native-C-Compiler.aspx
Java on LLVM is another possibility with VMkit: http://vmkit.llvm.org/
Dynamic a languages could also be supported via the Parrot VM http://www.parrot.org/
Objective C syntax is fine. You're just not used to it. Additionally, the performance hit on messages is negligible for quite a while. Apple's invested a lot in making the objc runtime efficient - the GNU folks started catching up a few years back too.
C# is nice though, and I would like to see it with WPF available as a viable option on Mac.