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Old Apr 30, 2012, 03:09 AM   #76
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And we live longer too, by the way.
and we out live you, so what!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

I do however think that eric/ was right to point out that seven people gunned down in a cafe, is not a normal occurrence even in NYC.

Yes Doctors have been known to embellish the truth, what a shock.
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Old Apr 30, 2012, 05:27 AM   #77
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I've known a lot of obese people who followed doctor's orders over the years and failed to permanently lose weight. You couldn't fault them for not trying.
The obesity thing is one of the great unsolved mysteries of science. I agree that we cannot blame obese people, for we are simply guessing at what might be effective at weight control. I study how the brain reacts to reward, including food reward. It seems like every day in the scientific literature some new environmental factor, gene, or interaction between the two is identified that influences weight, food consumption or activity level. Add to that the effect of microorganisms in the gut, and it is as though trying to understand weight gain and loss is like trying to predict the weather weeks in advance. The last article I read on the topic, about which I am skeptical but which is plausible nonetheless, claimed that the rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere is changing blood our chemistry, resulting in a cascade of molecular signals that drive the consumption of calories....
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Old Apr 30, 2012, 06:29 AM   #78
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USA! USA! USA! We're #1!

Yeah...not so much...

Basically if you can't pay, they take everything you have. If you die, they move on to the estate/any family...and take anything THEY have. Welcome to America. Also, if you visit, make sure you get insurance beforehand. It's a sick way of doing things, but that's what happens when you have a capitalist society.
My travel insurance healthcare covers me for $16,270,000. I seriously wonder what I could do to myself that would exceed that.
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You can't be denied basic healthcare/emergency services. Key word being 'basic'. Prolonged healthcare needs insurance; as does any preventive measures.
So someone suffering from cancer, could not plan on cancer treatment at the emergency room...
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Old Apr 30, 2012, 08:28 AM   #80
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My travel insurance healthcare covers me for $16,270,000. I seriously wonder what I could do to myself that would exceed that.
Break a leg...
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Old Apr 30, 2012, 08:58 AM   #81
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Break a leg...
$16 million for a broken leg? Crickey! There was me thinking that was a decent ammount of cover.
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Old Apr 30, 2012, 09:09 AM   #82
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$16 million for a broken leg? Crickey! There was me thinking that was a decent ammount of cover.
A broken leg was a bit of an exaggeration, but say you got into a terrible car accident and after the initial treatment needed months of care and physical therapy, you'd blow through that 16 mil pretty quickly.

Ideally in the event of serious injury or illness, the $16 million would be enough to get you stabilized to the point where you could travel back to your home country and have some of that evil socialist government run healthcare pay for the rest of it.
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A broken leg was a bit of an exaggeration, but say you got into a terrible car accident and after the initial treatment needed months of care and physical therapy, you'd blow through that 16 mil pretty quickly.

Ideally in the event of serious injury or illness, the $16 million would be enough to get you stabilized to the point where you could travel back to your home country and have some of that evil socialist government run healthcare pay for the rest of it.
I'd crawl onto a plane and into the nearest NHS hospital before that happened
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The obesity thing is one of the great unsolved mysteries of science. .... I am skeptical but which is plausible nonetheless, claimed that the rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere is changing blood our chemistry, resulting in a cascade of molecular signals that drive the consumption of calories....
I would think if it was CO2 obesity rates would be globally similar. Instead obesity rates appear to be tied to food - specifically how much processed food is found (on average) in a particular society.

My interpretation is that food for some societies is no longer sold as something you need to survive, and instead has been so commodified that it is now something that stuff in your mouth. And the big corporations want you to stuff as much of it as possible into your mouth. One way to do that is add salt (a flavour enhancer). I suspect if you compared salt content in fast-foods with obesity rates you'd find a pretty close correlation. Closer than CO2 levels.

Yes, food reward cycle is an important trigger. But it's increasingly the food corps that have their finger on the trigger now, and not the individual.

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and we out live you, so what!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

I do however think that eric/ was right to point out that seven people gunned down in a cafe, is not a normal occurrence even in NYC.

Yes Doctors have been known to embellish the truth, what a shock.
Assuming the location you've listed, I'll still live longer than you (statistically). I'm in Canada at 12 and the Netherlands is listed at 16. (Perhaps you confused me with the USA at 38?) Not only that I'm in the province with the longest lived people in Canada... if we were ranked as acountry we'd push Singapore out of 7 spot.

Can you tell the hockey season is over for Vancouver? Everything seems to be competitive at the moment. I'm sure I'll get over it soon.

I think the doctor probably does see multiple instances of physical violence just about everyday. It may be 7 people shot one day, or 7 people shot at different times of the day. Plus the knife attacks, the hatchet attacks, etc. The attempts to discredit the report by interpreting it as "7 shot in a coffee shop" is grasping at straws.

Back on topic. I had to go to the ER last month. Got seen by a doctor, got my tetanus shot updated. The doctor consulted with the on-call specialist and gave me a small vial of an antibiotic. They made an appointment for me to see the specialist that night (Sunday night). We had to drive ourselves to the neighbouring community (we're on a small island so it involved a ferry) where the specialist examined me and conducted a battery of tests and then told me I'd be fine, but to keep applying the antibiotics. Cost? Dinner - we had a late Vietnamese dinner and came home. Even the ferry was covered by our Provincial health care.
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Old Apr 30, 2012, 10:07 AM   #85
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Assuming the location you've listed, I'll still live longer than you (statistically). I'm in Canada at 12 and the Netherlands is listed at 16. (Perhaps you confused me with the USA at 38?) Not only that I'm in the province with the longest lived people in Canada... if we were ranked as acountry we'd push Singapore out of 7 spot.

Can you tell the hockey season is over for Vancouver? Everything seems to be competitive at the moment. I'm sure I'll get over it soon.

I think the doctor probably does see multiple instances of physical violence just about everyday. It may be 7 people shot one day, or 7 people shot at different times of the day. Plus the knife attacks, the hatchet attacks, etc. The attempts to discredit the report by interpreting it as "7 shot in a coffee shop" is grasping at straws.
You are of course correct you will live longer

I thought you lived in the UK.
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You are of course correct you will live longer

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Only if I exercise more and stay away from the beer....

But it's nice to have a goal, eh? If I'm average I should live to be 82.
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Old Apr 30, 2012, 05:11 PM   #87
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So someone suffering from cancer, could not plan on cancer treatment at the emergency room...
Preexisting condition.

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I'd crawl onto a plane and into the nearest NHS hospital before that happened
Canada (pick your Province) gets them the Hell out of the States, A.S.A.P.

They will even pick-up the air fair.

It's far cheaper.
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Old Apr 30, 2012, 05:17 PM   #88
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The obesity thing is one of the great unsolved mysteries of science. I agree that we cannot blame obese people, for we are simply guessing at what might be effective at weight control. I study how the brain reacts to reward, including food reward. It seems like every day in the scientific literature some new environmental factor, gene, or interaction between the two is identified that influences weight, food consumption or activity level. Add to that the effect of microorganisms in the gut, and it is as though trying to understand weight gain and loss is like trying to predict the weather weeks in advance. The last article I read on the topic, about which I am skeptical but which is plausible nonetheless, claimed that the rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere is changing blood our chemistry, resulting in a cascade of molecular signals that drive the consumption of calories....
I think obesity is a compilation of a few things...at the most basic level, we consume more calories than we burn and therefore we get larger. If we aren't growing upwards, we grow outwards. If we are growing upwards and you eat too much or too poorly, you will also grow outwards and may stop growing upwards.

But why do we do this? Some foods excite pleasure-sites in the brain and these foods are utilized by fast food companies. Are they used for this reason? Who knows. Classical conditioning is used as well. When you are a kid, you go to a fast food store, get a meal PLUS a toy. The toy makes you happy. You equate the fast food store with happiness at a subconscious level, and you continue to eat there in an almost ritualistic fashion. Until recently, literature on good v. bad diets were not easily accessible, and are still not that accessible to those who need it most (those of a lower socioeconomic status). Also, American society has come to shift major activities around food. The expansion of kitchen sizes in newer houses speak to this.
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Without a national health service, what would happen if he came round and declared he didn't have any insurance?
If the closest hospital is private, then he'll be patched up enough until they can dump him on a public hospital. Sometimes, the private hospital may not even wait until the patient is stable before dumping him.
One of my room mates didn't have insurance and was diagnosed with ovarian cancer. The state was willing to cover a radical hysterectomy. If she had insurance, she probably could've gotten imaging done to pinpoint where the cancer was and done a partial. Imaging is expensive, as others have pointed out. Unfortunately, because my friend has some money, she's on the hook for some of the costs, which are still enormous for someone who makes minimum wage.
Even with insurance, any major event (e.g., heart attack, cancer) would still bankrupt the patient. IIRC, healthcare is the top cited reason for bankruptcy filings. Of course, new bankruptcy laws make it that much harder to declare bankruptcy.

I don't care what people say about national healthcare being socialist. I'm sick and tired of worrying that something like cancer or being shot will drain my life savings and cause me to declare bankruptcy. Even if I weren't a Green, the lack of real healthcare sickens me.
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