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Old May 1, 2012, 04:31 AM   #76
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It was a joke in extremely poor taste
Agreed.

Doesn't mean that calling a radio DJ for advice is a sensible thing to do.
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Old May 1, 2012, 05:12 AM   #77
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Agreed.

Doesn't mean that calling a radio DJ for advice is a sensible thing to do.
I'll give you that, apologies or pointing my post soley at you it was intended mostly for others but still, it comes across like you're trivialising the incident. It's not about whether this was genuine advice it's about the attitudes that are essentially normalised by expressing this even in jest.
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Old May 1, 2012, 08:54 AM   #78
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On a related note Rachel Maddow was on Howard Stern recently:

Howard Stern Asks Rachel Maddow About Putting Out for a Man



lol well if the answer isn't NO its probably...

Not related at all.

First, it's Howard Stern. He asks everyone he interviews about their sex life. Second, it's two adults having the conversation. And thirdly, at no point did Howard ever suggest that Rachel Maddow needed to be raped straight. I heard the interview (great interview by the way, Rachel and Howard are two of my favorite people in the media) and at no point did Rachel seem to feel uncomfortable at all. She wouldn't answer the questions, but she knew it was all for laughs.
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Old May 1, 2012, 08:57 AM   #79
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She wouldn't answer the questions, but she knew it was all for laughs.
Someone sexuality is something to be mocked?
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Old May 1, 2012, 09:07 AM   #80
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Someone sexuality is something to be mocked?
He wasn't mocking her sexuality. He asked her if she had ever been with a man. Most might view the question in poor taste, but it wasn't mocking her or her sexuality.

FWIW, Howard's a big supporter of LGBT rights
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Old May 1, 2012, 10:33 AM   #81
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FWIW, Howard's a big supporter of LGBT rights
I did not know he was a supporter of LGBT. I did know he likes to watch lesbians lick each other on his TV show, but I didn't think it went further than that, but I don't listen to his show though.
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Great post! I think we agree more than we disagree.
Agreed I thought that after I finished the post.

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It would seem the vast majority of entertainment media is more concerned with ratings, success, and money. Far too often they throw up the "I'm not a role model" or "this is just entertainment" explanation/excuse. I fully agree that media has an impact on viewers, however, we are responsible for teaching ourselves and our children to be critically thinking viewers who analyze and assess what they consume in entertainment and media. In a country with freedom of speech people have the right to say what they want even if I don't agree with it or find it entertaining. On the other side of the coin I have the right to express that I don't like what they are doing/saying and not watch it.
I also agree with most of this, but I would add that the manner in which media garner ratings plays on the viewers/readers egocentric responses (in 24hrs I've seen words like 'outrage' and 'punk' used in introductions). Thus after already providing the reader with a 'superior' viewpoint it discourages/skews critical thinking, because the reader might not make such value judgments based on an internal review of the information presented.

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In my opinion the problem is when people get all worked up and draw attention to stupid stuff like this. I think it's completely immature to say "How dare you... I'm offended by...". Being offended is a choice, no one else has power over me and thus, no one has the ability to upset me. The problem is too many people don't understand this and even take it one step further in saying that they have the "right" not to be exposed to things that offend them. Please, that's just ignorance.
The way I see it, getting all worked up about little things is just an extension of the egocentric media headlines; saying "How dare you..." sounds exactly like the superiority you're supposed to feel from the ratings grabbing sensationalism the media relies on! The answer lies in moderation (I know an old fashioned word) in this case the shock jock took shock into possible incitement of a horrible, violent, act that demonstrated terribly backward thinking. He came of as more than a jerk than even he intended and apologized for it; but to Mord's point...

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It's not about whether this was genuine advice it's about the attitudes that are essentially normalised by expressing this even in jest.
The attitude expressed by the shock jock could be seen as a step towards normalizing the idea that homosexuality something you can change in another person using possibly using terrible acts to accomplish that. When such an attitude is presented it's important to counter it and point out it's flaws so it doesn't become 'normal' to think that.
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Dominic Dieter, a member of the "Rover's Morning Glory" team on WMMS-FM/100.7, has been disciplined by station owner Clear Channel for an off-color suggestion to a father worried about his daughter's possible homosexuality.

In response to an email from the father, Dieter advised the father to have a friend "screw [her] straight."

The comment Friday provoked an outcry in the gay and lesbian community.

Aaron McQuade, the New York-based director of news and field media for GLAAD (Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation), said the organization "reached out" to station management after receiving several complaints.

"We had a good conversation with them and said this essentially was advocating the rape of a teenaged girl and was hideously inappropriate," McQuade said.

The station aired a recorded apology from Dieter, who was not on the air for today's broadcast of the morning drive show, which traditionally stretches the boundaries of taste.

"I want to genuinely apologize to anyone who may have been offended by what I said," Dieter told listeners today, according to a transcript sent to GLAAD. "I regret what I did say. My comments were inappropriate. They were inexcusable, and just downright stupid. And I want to make it clear; there was absolutely no intention to promote physical or sexual violence."

"We take matters of this nature very seriously; his comment was thoughtless and unacceptable, and we apologize to those who were offended," said Clear Channel Operations Manager Keith Abrams in an emailed response to a request for comment. "We can assure you the appropriate disciplinary action has been taken, and Dieter has since apologized on air and is fully aware that what he said was unacceptable.

"We also want you to be aware that during Friday's broadcast, he was in fact immediately criticized on-air by the other hosts of the show, and the rest of the segment was dedicated to a productive discussion about the acceptance of all lifestyles," Abrams wrote. "It included call-ins and commentary from members and friends of the gay community. WMMS supports the gay community and again, we deeply apologize."

Abrams would not divulge the breadth of the disciplinary action, or whether it was limited to today's absence.

McQuade said Clear Channel's leaders told him that the station will air several public-service announcements stressing parental acceptance of a gay child's lifestyle.

"[Gay] kids rejected by the parents are nine times more likely to attempt suicide," McQuade said.

The GLAAD spokesman also said Clear Channel told him it is inviting Equality Ohio, a gay-rights group, to become part of the WMMS Community Advisory Board.
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Would Clear Channel have done anything if there was no public outcry?
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Regardless of the DJ's intentions, it was a stupid thing to say that carries strongly misogynistic and homophobic undertones.
Just undertones?
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Would Clear Channel have done anything if there was no public outcry?
I don't think so. Regardless of the subject matter, whether it be FCC related or just something someone disagrees with, corrective actions and apologies are usually not given unless someone has complained and made a big deal out of something. It's a reactive system and it's more about image management than anything.
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Just undertones?
Halfhearted attempt at diplomacy.
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Halfhearted attempt at diplomacy.
I'd argue that part of the reason that misogyny is making a comeback is that feminists feel some ridiculous requirement to be "diplomatic" instead of expressing their outrage.

Just like the U.S. "does not negotiate with terrorists" I don't see any advantage to not expressing outrage at a suggestion of rape. There are some things we should not accept compromises about.
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