Apple Admits 'New' Mac Pro Isn't All That New - Page 2

T'hain Esh Kelch · Jun 12, 2012, 02:47 PM

One could imagine that they put on the "New" label for a day, just to let the mac community know that it was "updated".

Ryth · Jun 12, 2012, 02:49 PM

Next year is such BS...

iBug2 · Jun 12, 2012, 02:53 PM

Well at least they said that next year there will be updates. I suppose it wasn't a waste to save some money for this year, I'll simply wait one more year. My 2008 Mac Pro is still blazingly fast.

dbattle · Jun 12, 2012, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by So Random

Priorities change. That happens in tech. Desktops aren't as hot as they used to be. Moreover, desktop-workstations really aren't as hot as they used to be.

Vote with your wallet. You've got something inside of a year left to do it.

I wanted to vote with my wallet yesterday but they didn't come out with the new Mac Pro.

CplBadboy · Jun 12, 2012, 02:55 PM

Got to admit I feel for the people that where hoping for the update on the MacPro with TB etc. Although I could never afford one I was even gutted!

I like the Retina MBP I have to admit, but felt the store has been left a little fragmented. We have a new AEX but no new AEBS to compliment it. Would have snapped a new AEBS up if it had gotten rid of that horrible power brick.

mrxak · Jun 12, 2012, 02:56 PM

Good. Hopefully, this was just intended to be a short-term solution and something a lot better is coming fairly soon. People might be upset if they bought a "new" Mac Pro shortly before even newer Mac Pros came out.

iMikeT · Jun 12, 2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryth

Next year is such BS...

Makes me glad that I got my 2011 iMac shortly after it was released last year.

madrag · Jun 12, 2012, 03:02 PM

This is plain stupid, Apple looks like one of those companies that never released a product and would make a mistake like this (unless they didn't think the public would consider this a non-update

)

In my country (Portugal), all the (cough) "updated" Mac Pros are now 200 EUR more expensive, but I've been reading that in the US and other countries it is cheaper?

Can anyone confirm this?

sweetbrat · Jun 12, 2012, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WildCowboy

Rather than reposting what I just posted in the feedback thread on the topic of our Buyer's Guide recommendation, I'll just link to it here to explain why we did (and still do) count this as an update.

Just wanted to say thanks for posting this. Hearing MacRumors point of view on this was very helpful.

OddyOh · Jun 12, 2012, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by So Random

Priorities change. That happens in tech. Desktops aren't as hot as they used to be. Moreover, desktop-workstations really aren't as hot as they used to be.

Vote with your wallet. You've got something inside of a year left to do it.

I had a year left about year ago, but my Mac Pro is too slow now. I tried the Hackintosh route at home, aka "The Lost Weekends"...not worth it, and not suitable for a business, but lots of fun for hobbyists, IMO. It was interesting and I learned a ton, but wouldn't do it again.

Fortunately, we're only replacing a single Pro Tools workstation right away (for now, but probably 3 more in the next couple years), so one of these "non-new" Mac Pros should work.

Sounds like the line isn't being discontinued for now, but time (and sales figures) will tell.

jamesryanbell · Jun 12, 2012, 03:18 PM

The fact that they're saying late 2013 makes me sigh and shake my head.

The fact that *I* don't need one until then makes me lol.

Sorry. Just being honest.

milo · Jun 12, 2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by WildCowboy

Rather than reposting what I just posted in the feedback thread on the topic of our Buyer's Guide recommendation, I'll just link to it here to explain why we did (and still do) count this as an update.

I said it there and I'll say it again here, there's no way in hell this is an update, even Apple doesn't consider it one as this story attests to.

You guys are just throwing away any credibility you might have slapping this warmed over turd sandwich with a "buy now".

ixodes · Jun 12, 2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LastMinuteMike

Totally agree.

This is a serious request, since Apple now doesn't recognize it as an update, I don't think MacRumors should either.

Bring back the old 600+ day count.

Excellent suggestion.

While on one hand, some of the moves Apple pulls is not funny, I must say I've learned not to take them seriously. It's best to just sit back & laugh at some of these bizarre manipulations. Only Apple thinks they're actually outsmarting their customers.

Yes, there's no question they're at the top and bleeding almost everyone for the latest Apple product, yet a huge number of us do realize we're playing the game just to get the products we want, while Apple chortles at us.

It's just the way it is.

petsounds · Jun 12, 2012, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildCowboy

Rather than reposting what I just posted in the feedback thread on the topic of our Buyer's Guide recommendation, I'll just link to it here to explain why we did (and still do) count this as an update.

Quote:

It can easily be argued that the "new" Mac Pro is a terrible value with outdated specs, but if you are in the market for a Mac Pro and you can't wait many months (maybe a year) for a new update, you might as well buy now.

Your rationale doesn't make sense. If the basis for "Buy Now" is simply that someone is in the market for a Mac Pro, then you could apply that to most any product whose update cycle in unclear. If you want to actually help users, you should replace that with "Best current value: buy used", because that's the truth.

Naaaaak · Jun 12, 2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jrlcopy

Haha, can we get the buyers guide clock put back to the 600+ day counter instead of starting over with day 1?

Complete with removing the "Buy Now" suggestion.

If the MacRumors Buyer's Guide has any respect at all, they would continue to list "DO NOT BUY" next to the Mac Pros. A good buyer's guide does not suggest, "Buy this because it was recently updated". A good buyer's guide says, "Buy this, because it's actually new and contains value", neither of which apply to these "New" Mac Pros. Paying around $3000 for 2-year-old hardware is against the purpose and spirit of a Buyer's Guide.

ristlin · Jun 12, 2012, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbattle

I wanted to vote with my wallet yesterday but they didn't come out with the new Mac Pro.

Same here. Was prepared to go all out.

milo · Jun 12, 2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by iBug2

Well at least they said that next year there will be updates.

Not really. I don't count a rumored comment from an alleged unnamed apple source as an apple statement.

the8thark · Jun 12, 2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cms2

I definitely see the logic of MacRumors' stance.

Macrumors and logic in the same sentence?
Oxymoron much?

musio · Jun 12, 2012, 03:30 PM

How godam exciting is a redesign? A case doesn't matter. Pros buying care about internals which apple can update anytime. Pros need speed.

Naaaaak · Jun 12, 2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddyisgreat

They should just change "New" to "Meh" in the same font so the lulz ensue.

I wish. For one moment that stupid "New" tag caused me to doubt my cynicism and think I was wrong about the Mac Pro. When I clicked the link and read the specs I thought my browser was showing me its cache and I even refreshed everything. Then I came to the realization that the 9 to 5 Mac report was correct and that I was correct.

The new tag was a cruel joke. It might as well have been accompanied with a troll face.

Snypod · Jun 12, 2012, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Porco

I think they may have got a lot of emails on this subject yesterday... !

I think you're right. They certainly got mine. I sent an email to Tim Cook and gave him (or whoever reads his email) my thoughts on the downturn of their pro hardware and software, as well as the decision to not allow iOS 6 to run on the only two and a half year old iPad 1. Anyone who cares about these things should do the same. Complaining on a blog is fine and all, but it's not as effective as emailing the company directly and voicing your concerns while remaining respectful and concise.

iBug2 · Jun 12, 2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by milo

Not really. I don't count a rumored comment from an alleged unnamed apple source as an apple statement.

That's all you'll get from Apple about an upcoming product refresh.

NAG · Jun 12, 2012, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musio

How godam exciting is a redesign? A case doesn't matter. Pros buying care about internals which apple can update anytime. Pros need speed.

You're conflating the look of the case with the reason for the redesign.

MacsRgr8 · Jun 12, 2012, 03:38 PM

Whoa...

Such a little word, such a big meaning: "NEW"

Apparently Apple agrees: it's not "NEW" enough.

Good.

At least it proves they are paying attention to what people are saying....

milo · Jun 12, 2012, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iBug2

That's all you'll get from Apple about an upcoming product refresh.

That's my point - that's just another rumor, we got absolutely nothing from apple about the future of this product.

Jun 12, 2012, 02:47 PM	#26
T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 6502a Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Denmark	One could imagine that they put on the "New" label for a day, just to let the mac community know that it was "updated". __________________ "There's no bigot like a religious bigot and there's no religion more fanatical than that espoused by Macintosh zealots." ~Martin Veitch, IT Week [31-01-2003]
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Jun 12, 2012, 02:53 PM	#28
iBug2 macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Jun 2005	Well at least they said that next year there will be updates. I suppose it wasn't a waste to save some money for this year, I'll simply wait one more year. My 2008 Mac Pro is still blazingly fast. __________________ Mac Pro Octo 3.2, 8GB Ram, Radeon 5870, ACD 30" rMBP 2.7 15" 16GB Ram, iPhone 4S, iPad 3
	0

Jun 12, 2012, 02:56 PM	#31
mrxak macrumors 6502a Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Drifting through space in a broken escape pod	Good. Hopefully, this was just intended to be a short-term solution and something a lot better is coming fairly soon. People might be upset if they bought a "new" Mac Pro shortly before even newer Mac Pros came out. __________________ Phones Will Kill You
	2

Jun 12, 2012, 03:18 PM	#36
jamesryanbell macrumors 68000 Join Date: Mar 2009	The fact that they're saying late 2013 makes me sigh and shake my head. The fact that I don't need one until then makes me lol. Sorry. Just being honest. __________________ Mac Mini Quad-Core i7 Server 8GB RAM MBA 11.6" w/OWC 240GB SSD 27" Cinema Display iPhone 4S 64GB, Apple TV3
	-1

Jun 12, 2012, 03:38 PM	#49
MacsRgr8 macrumors 604 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Netherlands	Whoa... Such a little word, such a big meaning: "NEW" Apparently Apple agrees: it's not "NEW" enough. Good. At least it proves they are paying attention to what people are saying.... __________________ Steve Jobs. 1955 - 2011. My Hero.
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Jun 12, 2012, 02:49 PM	#27
Ryth macrumors 65816 Join Date: Apr 2011	Next year is such BS...
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Jun 12, 2012, 02:55 PM	#30
CplBadboy macrumors 6502 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland	Got to admit I feel for the people that where hoping for the update on the MacPro with TB etc. Although I could never afford one I was even gutted! I like the Retina MBP I have to admit, but felt the store has been left a little fragmented. We have a new AEX but no new AEBS to compliment it. Would have snapped a new AEBS up if it had gotten rid of that horrible power brick.
	3

Jun 12, 2012, 03:02 PM	#33
madrag macrumors regular Join Date: Nov 2007	This is plain stupid, Apple looks like one of those companies that never released a product and would make a mistake like this (unless they didn't think the public would consider this a non-update ) In my country (Portugal), all the (cough) "updated" Mac Pros are now 200 EUR more expensive, but I've been reading that in the US and other countries it is cheaper? Can anyone confirm this?
	4

Jun 12, 2012, 03:30 PM	#44
musio macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jun 2008	How godam exciting is a redesign? A case doesn't matter. Pros buying care about internals which apple can update anytime. Pros need speed.
	3

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