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Old Jun 26, 2012, 02:19 PM   #26
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Solar panels work well in Reno. "Free" energy.

Also if you have enough capital you can get nearly free cooling too. What you do is dig a big hole in the ground and bury pipe. At some depth (maybe 15 or 20 feet) the solid stays at the average year day/night temperature which is not really very high when you consider that night and winter temps are averaged in. So. you can have "free" cool water for your air chillers. But you do need to spend up front to dig a big hole the size of a few large swimming pools.

This system works well in the places where it snows too. you get "free" too. Mostly anyplace around the US the water comes up at about 58F. THis works well for both summer cooling and winter heating.

Installing these system is a BIG business now, Need a job? Learn how to engineer these ground heat systems
That was educational. Thank you.
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 02:20 PM   #27
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I wonder what the "other facilities" are.

If the data center here in Oregon costs $250M there's a big difference in expenditures.
Considering the name given to this project, I begin to wonder if it doesn't include a manufacturing/assembly plant.

Of course, like NC, I'm sure they'll also be adding a solar/fuel cell power system to stay off the grid or maybe even feed any excess to the grid.
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 02:21 PM   #28
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Spotted this article from 11/2010 about Reno Technology Park. It gives you some of the reasons why people were looking at putting a data center in this location.

http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/a...its-own-power/
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 02:23 PM   #29
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Why build a data center in such a hot place though? Wouldn't you end up using more power to keep the building cool?

I guess there's less chances of natural disasters there though, no hurricanes or tornadoes to worry about.
  1. Not all that hot.
  2. Different type of cooling system that doesn't draw as much power as typical AC.
  3. Solar power.

Do any of these make a difference?
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 02:24 PM   #30
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 02:29 PM   #31
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Spotted this article from 11/2010 about Reno Technology Park. It gives you some of the reasons why people were looking at putting a data center in this location.

http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/a...its-own-power/
Interesting.

Thanks for the link.

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Old Jun 26, 2012, 02:37 PM   #32
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This is gonna be Apple's biggest little mistake.
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 02:38 PM   #33
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This is great news! Most of my family is in Northern Nevada and I plan to retire there someday. Maybe I can get a part-time job at the data center.
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 02:40 PM   #34
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"Then we arrived in Reno, which is a bit like Las Vegas. Only worse."

- Jeremy Clarkson
That was the first thing I thought of as well when I saw the picture

What does that say about me, I'm an American who thinks of a quote from a British TV show host when confronted with a picture of an American city
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 02:41 PM   #35
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This is good news for the whole iCloud front. They really do need one in Europe though.
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 02:46 PM   #36
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This is gonna be Apple's biggest little mistake.
Care to share why, other than a personal opinion?
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 02:46 PM   #37
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Great news!

Siri could help me find my marbles @ BRC.

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Old Jun 26, 2012, 02:53 PM   #38
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Solar panels work well in Reno. "Free" energy.

Also if you have enough capital you can get nearly free cooling too. What you do is dig a big hole in the ground and bury pipe. At some depth (maybe 15 or 20 feet) the solid stays at the average year day/night temperature which is not really very high when you consider that night and winter temps are averaged in. So. you can have "free" cool water for your air chillers. But you do need to spend up front to dig a big hole the size of a few large swimming pools.

This system works well in the places where it snows too. you get "free" too. Mostly anyplace around the US the water comes up at about 58F. THis works well for both summer cooling and winter heating.

Installing these system is a BIG business now, Need a job? Learn how to engineer these ground heat systems
Cool, maybe they can build data centers into hillside cave dwellings?

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Old Jun 26, 2012, 02:53 PM   #39
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Dowtown Reno IS NOT east of Sparks.
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 02:54 PM   #40
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Why build a data center in such a hot place though? Wouldn't you end up using more power to keep the building cool?

I guess there's less chances of natural disasters there though, no hurricanes or tornadoes to worry about.
Lots of sunshine for solar panels which can also shade the building from the sun. Also sandstorms to etch the glass on solar panels to greatly reduce efficiency.
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 02:56 PM   #41
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This is great news for the Reno area. As a former semi-regular visitor, it was depressing to see the town slowly go downhill over the past several years.
Amen to that. It's a beautiful area, and that city has so much potential. It just needs the proper cash influx. Plus it'd be great to have a proper "Las Vegas 2.0" for NorCal residents.
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Care to share why, other than a personal opinion?
Oh sorry, I have made a huge tiny mistake by assuming the Arrested Development reference would land.

There I go again.
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 03:02 PM   #43
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Oh sorry, I have made a huge tiny mistake by assuming the Arrested Development reference would land.

There I go again.
Nerds don't get jokes unless you explain them very carefully.
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 03:04 PM   #44
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Yup, and geothermal heating and cooling is awesome.

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Solar panels work well in Reno. "Free" energy.

Also if you have enough capital you can get nearly free cooling too. What you do is dig a big hole in the ground and bury pipe. At some depth (maybe 15 or 20 feet) the solid stays at the average year day/night temperature which is not really very high when you consider that night and winter temps are averaged in. So. you can have "free" cool water for your air chillers. But you do need to spend up front to dig a big hole the size of a few large swimming pools.

This system works well in the places where it snows too. you get "free" too. Mostly anyplace around the US the water comes up at about 58F. THis works well for both summer cooling and winter heating.

Installing these system is a BIG business now, Need a job? Learn how to engineer these ground heat systems
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 03:06 PM   #45
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This would be great for Reno. Would be great for me if my company bids to run the airflow in the buildings.
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 03:11 PM   #46
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Dowtown Reno IS NOT east of Sparks.
Nowhere does the article say that Downtown Reno is East of Sparks, it says "Reno Technology Park, located east of Sparks along Interstate 80" which is correct as Reno Technology Park is located East of Sparks.
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 03:23 PM   #48
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Why build a data center in such a hot place though? Wouldn't you end up using more power to keep the building cool?

I guess there's less chances of natural disasters there though, no hurricanes or tornadoes to worry about.
You aren't serious are you? Cooling costs? It's only hot in Reno three months out of the year, and the temperatures fall into the 50s and 60s at night. Fall and Spring are mild, and winter isn't all too serious. Aside from that....cooling costs pale in comparison to other cost advantages. Real estate in Reno is dirt cheap since the bust. Taxes in Nevada are incredibly low, there is a large and inexpensive labor force that currently suffers from a high rate of unemployment (see supply/demand). Those factors outweigh cooling costs by light years. Operating in Newark, CA is far more expensive due to those factors.

Some of the comments on this thread are unbelievably dim witted.

Contrary to what your snarky tag suggests.....no, you're not always correct. In fact, this time, you're just....simple.

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Lots of sunshine for solar panels which can also shade the building from the sun. Also sandstorms to etch the glass on solar panels to greatly reduce efficiency.
We don't have sandstorms here.
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 03:24 PM   #49
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I just talked to my buddy Jim Dangle in Reno, and he says it's for real. He's thinking of leaving local law enforcement to work security for Apple, assuming they need a shift supervisor.
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Cool, maybe they can build data centers into hillside cave dwellings?

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Excellent point....oh wait, that picture is from another continent. That's what we like to call loess, or anchored sand.
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