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Old Jul 12, 2012, 10:34 PM   #26
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The problem with most of these magazines are their huge file sizes, and their lack of a truly native-feeling experience. That didn't really apply to The Daily, however. Their problem was they tried to become Us Weekly meets Fox News. I gave them a chance a few times, always hoping maybe they'd gotten better, and always disappointed that they hadn't.

I'd be very curious to see Bloomberg BusinessWeek's numbers. I imagine they've expanded their subscribers a LOT since introducing their excellent iPad app. Fast downloads, beautifully formatted issues with selectable text, all customized to feel right at home on the iPad. It's a magazine I never would have subscribed to before, but having it on the iPad is great, it's got terrific content, and I read it every week now.
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Old Jul 13, 2012, 05:32 AM   #27
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But the content was horrible. I cancelled my subscription after their "Hillary drinks a lot" article. That was horrible.

They found pictures of her drinking alcohol over the course of a few years and made it look like she was an alcoholic. No matter what your political leanings, that was BS "journalism".
I call what they do 'Urinalism' because they just stand there and piss all over everything... The thought of people actually *paying* for their vacuous brand of urinalism, I found a hard sell. Especially for the 'average Fox Noise viewer' that gets their lies 'free' on the box, and who's body will be the grease under the GOP machine. It would have been easier if they just came out and said that they think a black man doesn't deserve to do anything other than work as a janitor, or holding their horses at the gate, but where would the fun be in that for them. Their form of 'journalism' is aimed at misinforming, and deliberately inciting people. It's tragic that they have found a market to delude and lie, for profit.
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Old Jul 13, 2012, 09:06 AM   #28
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What makes News successful?

Look at the NYT app. The reason it works well is because you have free headlines. Headline news are no secret anyways. If you want to charge for that, people will not buy in. For everything else, there is premium. NYT has a good headline section and can convince people to subscribe because they can make the NYT their choice for news.
If I have to pay up-front for something like that, I'm not gonna sign at the dotted line.

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I call what they do 'Urinalism' because they just stand there and piss all over everything... The thought of people actually *paying* for their vacuous brand of urinalism, I found a hard sell. Especially for the 'average Fox Noise viewer' that gets their lies 'free' on the box, and who's body will be the grease under the GOP machine. It would have been easier if they just came out and said that they think a black man doesn't deserve to do anything other than work as a janitor, or holding their horses at the gate, but where would the fun be in that for them. Their form of 'journalism' is aimed at misinforming, and deliberately inciting people. It's tragic that they have found a market to delude and lie, for profit.
But you all don't understand: Hillary DOES drink a lot. Water, juice, milk... Anything to keep her hyrdated. It's summer and she is of an age you could consider a higher risk group for dehydration because the older we are, the less we have the urge to drink. The simple fact that she still looks that good proves that she indeed drinks a lot! (If not, she would be more wrinkled.)

PS: The second part was meant ironic - I know what the news article meant to say.
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Old Jul 13, 2012, 10:34 AM   #29
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Technical issues aside, the problem with this entire experiment was that News Corp. didn't seem to understand the market for news. People who are willing to pay for news, either in print form or digitally, are among the more sophisticated consumers of current events. They don't want fluff, they don't want pretty pictures, and they don't want political pandering. They do want hard news competently reported, long-form investigative journalism, and a responsible editorial policy. Why they thought real news junkies would pay for the former when they have always desired the latter is beyond me. Maybe they need to fire a bunch more of those News Corp. incompetents and rethink their approach.
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Old Jul 13, 2012, 12:03 PM   #30
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What a surprise, The Daily is one of the worst newspapers I've ever read. They're one step away from the dividing line between Newspaper and trashy Tabloid. With apps for NPR, BBC, AP, the New York Times, the Washington Post, The Economist, etc... who the hell is reading The Daily?

You'd think for a company that touted itself as being the first "all digital" newspaper, they would have spent some time actually focusing on delivering quality journalism. Instead of delivering a substandard product, and then trying to charge for it.
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Old Jul 13, 2012, 02:05 PM   #31
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News is free all over on the internet so I don't know why I'd pay for a poorly made app to give it to me...
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Old Jul 13, 2012, 08:52 PM   #32
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What can one say. Write trash and lies and charge a fee? I can get it for free on my local Fox station.
Well, you may have crossed a line there, even if inadvertently. Local news is real, however well or poorly reported, while FNC/tabloids are less real than reality TV. They are a fantasy shaved somewhat close to reality on purpose and orchestrated to get ratings/circulation by appealing to small minds rather than the truth, and according to the ratings for FNC, there must be an awful lot of them out there. But FNC and local news are two different things, apples vs. oranges.

Unfortunately, The Daily finds it roots much closer to FNC and the Murdoch tabloid approach than to local TV, including stations affiliated with, or even owned by, Newscorp/FOX. Media companies, especially television companies, are completely derivative; maybe they were hoping some of that FNC mojo would rub off. Far be it from me to stereotype, but it probably had something to do with shooting for a tech-savvy audience being just the opposite of the audience glued to FNC. They probably would have done much better if they emulated the local news model, which is completely different than the FNC/tabloid model, instead. Pretty ironic.

But there's much more at work here: compare The Daily to something as elegant and useful and customizable (and as free) as FlipBoard, and it is easy to see why it tanked. And this is not the last one. USA Today's app, and business, along with a lot more mainstream outlets' apps, and their businesses, are in real trouble.

But back to that crossed line: while the graphics are similar, and FOX's owned and operated stations are overseen by Roger Ailes who also orchestrated FOX News Channel for cable, that FOX affiliated (or even owned) stations may have the same tinge of yellow journalism as FNC or The Daily would only be completely coincidental, if even true. Local FOX stations are entirely either to blame, or to be praised, for their content; local editorial management is in control of that, not FOX. The only mandate they get from Ailes and Newscorp is to get ratings. How they do that is entirely up to them.

Their only visible connection is that FOX stations are allowed to run occasional hard news pieces hosted by FNC talent, and that FNC talent may occasionally cross over in reporting hard national news stories on FOX stations' local news. Stations are not expected to get into the professional-wrestling soap opera of opinionated commentary or skewed analysis that is FNC, not even a little bit. Some stations may not do all that great of a job, but to paint all FOX stations with a broad brush as if they were all clones of FNC or Newscorp tabloidism is to just not have a basic understanding of how things work.

You do have to have average intelligence to understand the distinction, however. Two guys named Steve are not always the same guy, even though they may share the same name, or may both have appeared in the public eye or once stood in the same spot; Steven Jobs was quite different from Stephen Baldwin. Two different guys, just like two different news outlets that use a similar or even the same name. That's not all that difficult to grasp, or is it?

Most folks do understand that their local news anchor is working for an entirely different news organization (in terms of who edits and manages what content is shown) than their network nightly news anchor, even if the show title might be eerily similar and even owned by or affiliated with the same company or shown on the same channel, and the fact that local news comes from a wholly different place than FNC or The Daily comes from in terms of content should not cause any more cognitive dissonance in their pointed little heads than that does. Sadly, that is not always the case, and your post underlines a not-that-uncommon failure to understand that, pretty dramatically.
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Old Jul 13, 2012, 09:31 PM   #33
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All i could think of when reading this was that Simpsons episode which said "Fox News, Not racist but #1 with racists"
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Old Jul 14, 2012, 06:30 AM   #34
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Well, you may have crossed a line there, even if inadvertently. Local news is real, however well or poorly reported, while FNC/tabloids are less real than reality TV. They are a fantasy shaved somewhat close to reality on purpose and orchestrated to get ratings/circulation by appealing to small minds rather than the truth, and according to the ratings for FNC, there must be an awful lot of them out there. But FNC and local news are two different things, apples vs. oranges.

Unfortunately, The Daily finds it roots much closer to FNC and the Murdoch tabloid approach than to local TV, including stations affiliated with, or even owned by, Newscorp/FOX. Media companies, especially television companies, are completely derivative; maybe they were hoping some of that FNC mojo would rub off. Far be it from me to stereotype, but it probably had something to do with shooting for a tech-savvy audience being just the opposite of the audience glued to FNC. They probably would have done much better if they emulated the local news model, which is completely different than the FNC/tabloid model, instead. Pretty ironic.

But there's much more at work here: compare The Daily to something as elegant and useful and customizable (and as free) as FlipBoard, and it is easy to see why it tanked. And this is not the last one. USA Today's app, and business, along with a lot more mainstream outlets' apps, and their businesses, are in real trouble.

But back to that crossed line: while the graphics are similar, and FOX's owned and operated stations are overseen by Roger Ailes who also orchestrated FOX News Channel for cable, that FOX affiliated (or even owned) stations may have the same tinge of yellow journalism as FNC or The Daily would only be completely coincidental, if even true. Local FOX stations are entirely either to blame, or to be praised, for their content; local editorial management is in control of that, not FOX. The only mandate they get from Ailes and Newscorp is to get ratings. How they do that is entirely up to them.

Their only visible connection is that FOX stations are allowed to run occasional hard news pieces hosted by FNC talent, and that FNC talent may occasionally cross over in reporting hard national news stories on FOX stations' local news. Stations are not expected to get into the professional-wrestling soap opera of opinionated commentary or skewed analysis that is FNC, not even a little bit. Some stations may not do all that great of a job, but to paint all FOX stations with a broad brush as if they were all clones of FNC or Newscorp tabloidism is to just not have a basic understanding of how things work.

You do have to have average intelligence to understand the distinction, however. Two guys named Steve are not always the same guy, even though they may share the same name, or may both have appeared in the public eye or once stood in the same spot; Steven Jobs was quite different from Stephen Baldwin. Two different guys, just like two different news outlets that use a similar or even the same name. That's not all that difficult to grasp, or is it?

Most folks do understand that their local news anchor is working for an entirely different news organization (in terms of who edits and manages what content is shown) than their network nightly news anchor, even if the show title might be eerily similar and even owned by or affiliated with the same company or shown on the same channel, and the fact that local news comes from a wholly different place than FNC or The Daily comes from in terms of content should not cause any more cognitive dissonance in their pointed little heads than that does. Sadly, that is not always the case, and your post underlines a not-that-uncommon failure to understand that, pretty dramatically.
Blah blah blah...

So the idea that our local 'Fox' channel takes cheap pot shots at local figures, and over-hypes rumors and innuendo to fever pitch has nothing to do with their owners agenda to do the same?

I avoid any 'Fox' channel for anything even close to what I used to consider 'news', because they are often so biased, and dead wrong... They have been hyping this computer virus attack so much that people are nearly apoplectic over it. Like 'OH MY GAWD! WHAT DO I DO? SHOULD I GIVE UP COMPUTERS COMPLETELY?' kind of frantic panic. (Sure, most that would consider that probably should give up their computer, but where would they get their kiddie porn and lies from)

'Fox' and 'news' go together like oil and water. And I hear that the 'faith in the news organizations has plummeted'. No kidding. Then stop watching the crap like 'Fox'...

But anyway, Murdoch evidently has huge balls. The idea that the 'Fox' name would make people snap their hard(er) earned money on the table for their brand of biased lies! HAH! That's a hard one, considering that 'The Onion' is free...
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Project also seemed to have totally dropped off and died after about 12 months. There was nothing after December's edition except a single issue of "Sounds" and then there was a random issue recently.

Sad times.
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Old Jul 15, 2012, 04:55 AM   #36
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I deleted it from my iPad last weekend, rumors of its demise this week.

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Old Jul 22, 2012, 11:03 PM   #37
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I Love The Daily

I have been using the daily for about 3 months, and believe it has been great in giving some great news and insight. Combining written news with videos is great and there is not anywhere I know where I can get that on my iPad and once downloaded can read it off line.

Keep up the good work. There is plenty of room for the publication, this is the future of newspapers.
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Old Jul 31, 2012, 11:48 AM   #38
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It's the same stories I see elsewhere on the net for free, why would I pay for them?
Precisely.

Yet I remember when the "buzz" was all about this publication. The forum was alive with those proclaiming it would change the way we get our news etc.

They went on and on ad naseum, about how it would change everything.

Funny how when a project Apple is as heavily involved in as this one, and it fails, everyone else gets the blame, while it dies a very quiet death.

While I have no visions of Apple being perfect, or never getting it wrong, it's just so hilarious because Apple makes such a big deal of everything they do.

Instead of simply announcing it as a new product, they've got to hype it through the roof, then they wonder why everyone's expectations are so unrealistic.
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Old Jul 31, 2012, 04:54 PM   #39
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I love The Daily, the *******s hate it. I'm sure if MSNBC came out with "Tree Hugging Peace lovers weekly" they would think the opposite.

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Blah blah blah...

So the idea that our local 'Fox' channel takes cheap pot shots at local figures, and over-hypes rumors and innuendo to fever pitch has nothing to do with their owners agenda to do the same?

I avoid any 'Fox' channel for anything even close to what I used to consider 'news', because they are often so biased, and dead wrong... They have been hyping this computer virus attack so much that people are nearly apoplectic over it. Like 'OH MY GAWD! WHAT DO I DO? SHOULD I GIVE UP COMPUTERS COMPLETELY?' kind of frantic panic. (Sure, most that would consider that probably should give up their computer, but where would they get their kiddie porn and lies from)

'Fox' and 'news' go together like oil and water. And I hear that the 'faith in the news organizations has plummeted'. No kidding. Then stop watching the crap like 'Fox'...

But anyway, Murdoch evidently has huge balls. The idea that the 'Fox' name would make people snap their hard(er) earned money on the table for their brand of biased lies! HAH! That's a hard one, considering that 'The Onion' is free...

haha and you would consider MSNBC, CNN, NBC or ABC to be central? Like MSNBC "leans forward?" Get a clue.
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haha and you would consider MSNBC, CNN, NBC or ABC to be central? Like MSNBC "leans forward?" Get a clue.
Did you perchance mean 'centrist', or 'moderate'?

American journalism has been perverted in the last 15 or so years to be something worth open mockery and disdain. I actually probably learn more from The Daily Show and The Colbert Report than from any other 'news' show on TV, and TDS and TCR aren't even 'news shows'. I gave up on CNN a long time ago, and rarely watch our local 'news' shows for more than laughs, and the weather (which I really don't watch that often anymore really).

It's just when I see what Fox Noise does to their viewers. The 'accidental' *cough* *cough* substitution of the wrong videos or airing hilariously photoshopped pictures, and taking comments and quotes out of context on a continuous basis. There is a reason that Murdoch and his minions are under attack in the UK: people got tired of their arrogance and haughty attitude and the lies and manipulation. His people strutted around that country like they owned the place. Eventually victims of his warped brand of refuse in this country will grow tired of it, and turn on them too. Everything has a definite spin to the negative every time I've ever watched it. It would be like hanging out with the mean kids in high school... Hell, I grew bored with their crap pretty quickly. It's like people just love to hear bullies spew racism, and blow the dog whistle...

But, hey, if you like it, fine. It's not 'news', and not 'useful' in my book, and should be prosecuted for repeatedly lying and distorting what they report.

They are like 'The Onion', only from the view of the racist old man sitting on his porch yelling at the kids walking across his yard. He's so destroyed with his own feelings of inadequacy that he can't see anything positive in the world, except the money flowing into his pocket.

Lying is easy. Reporting the truth at what is happening to this country takes HUGE brass balls...
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Bad journalism + Bad app=shutdown

Besides, the Daily was just Steve's pseudo-olive branch to all the whiny old media companies like News Corp, who were afraid of the change the iPad might bring back in 2010.
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