T-Mobile Germany Begins Distributing Nano-SIMs to Retailers

The nano sim spec has the card at 0.67mm thick, the existing micro sim is 0.76mm thick. it might be possible a cut down micro sim will work although it could also be too tight due to its thickness.

It may bepossible to sand the back down by this 0.1mm as the current sim has approximately 0.3mm of plastic behind the chip.

Interesting as my carrier has only recently launched the micro sim, If I upgrade I would prefer not to switch carriers!

BornAgainApple said:

Micro SIM - Nano SIM - I see a trend developing. Apple failed in its first attempt to bring software-based SIM to market, but I think its time is coming...

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Well, actually, the trend would indicate Pico SIM would be next.

mattopotamus said:

how do you get invited? Is it developers, news writers....what is the criteria?

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It's mostly for media.

BugBytes said:

Interesting. Could save some valuable internal space in the new iPhone if they switched.

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What do you mean? The new iPhone will use the nano-sim.

Skika said:

What do you mean? The new iPhone will use the nano-sim.

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He means no SIM at all.
A software based-SIM which is what Apple wanted from day one.

I hope we can cut the nano sim like we did in micro sim fromthe standard sim, else its a bit of problem !!

sampaul said:

It is about time that Apple should confirm the September 12th event...

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Apple historically announces this type of event one week in advance. Expect to hear confirmation tomorrow morning (Wednesday).

oooohhh goody !!! microsim news.. lol

malias4 said:

I hope we can cut the nano sim like we did in micro sim fromthe standard sim, else its a bit of problem !!

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someone earlier said (edit: user MyRomeo) that the new sim is slimmer too, so unless you have a super precise meat slicer, don't hold your breath.

Manilae said:

T-Mobile USA doenst carry the iPhone.
But here in Germany T-Mobile Germany is carrying the iPhone since day 1 ^^.

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1st Gen iPhone wasnt sold in Germany. So maybe since day 358?

Sorry for being the Klugscheißer.

needfx said:

someone earlier said that the new sim is slimmer too, so unless you have a super precise meat slicer, don't hold your breath.

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Some super fine grit sandpaper, 300 grit or better, should be able to take off the extra plastic. The trick will be is making a jig to hold the cutdown sim so sanding is possible.

Zaft said:

I thought tmobile doesnt carry iphone?

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In the US no, although you can get an unlocked phone to take a tmobile sim but no 3G

In Europe however the tech issue doesn't exist abpnd they officially carry the iPhone in several countries

Next up, Pico-SIM. Coming to iPhone 7 next year. Then Femto-SIM in iPhone 8 2014.

applefanDrew said:

Tomorrow at 10 PST.

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Exactly. This is PR 101. Nokia/MS holds event tomorrow - Apple announces their own keynote and steals the thunder.

Ivi f u c kingtations please

diegaulle said:

1st Gen iPhone wasnt sold in Germany. So maybe since day 358?

Sorry for being the Klugscheißer.

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You are really a Klugscheißer because you are wrong!

I don't know if this has any relevance, but searching google for a nanosim adapter already yields some nice results.

Tailpike1153 said:

Some super fine grit sandpaper, 300 grit or better, should be able to take off the extra plastic. The trick will be is making a jig to hold the cutdown sim so sanding is possible.

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Surely you would sand before cutting down?

Tailpike1153 said:

Some super fine grit sandpaper, 300 grit or better, should be able to take off the extra plastic. The trick will be is making a jig to hold the cutdown sim so sanding is possible.

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You could just hold it and sand down your fingertips at the same time - just like Steve Jobs once said

RTP.

Gasu E. said:

Well, actually, the trend would indicate Pico SIM would be next.

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Indeed!

needfx said:

It will take time for carriers to feel ok with complete loss of control over their clients with physical objects such as sim cards, but yes, heading there

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You must work for Verizon who completely controls user hardware on their network.

A SIM card allows a user freedom to use any GSM phone they chose.

OriginalMacRat said:

You must work for Verizon who completely controls user hardware on their network.

A SIM card allows a user freedom to use any GSM phone they chose.

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Now, I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason and all but I struggle with this.

The sim card is just something that stores certain settings that tell the network who you are and lets you connect to that specific network, right?

In this day and age, what's stopping us from having a virtual sim card, basically just a secure little bit of memory on your smartphone, that you can download as many different "sims" onto as you like and just choose which one you want to use from a little sub menu? Each one would be unique, generated at the point of download, and you could back them up to a secure, cloud based service so if the worst happened you could get a new handset and redownload your sim with all your settings, etc. Of course, if anyone accessed this that would be an issue I guess but there's always a loophole, right?

I mean, wouldn't this system be the most flexible? If I go to a foreign land there's Wifi at the airport, right? A little booth maybe that lets me connect and download the most competitive sim for my intended uses and top up and all that. When I arrive home GPS locates me and automatically pops me back over to my normal network.

Why is this not a good idea? If it is a good idea, who is it who wants it to not happen and why?

petrucci666 said:

Exactly. This is PR 101. Nokia/MS holds event tomorrow - Apple announces their own keynote and steals the thunder.

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Nah, it actually has more to do with that is how Apple operates. They send out invites 1 week ahead of the event. And it's always at 10 PST.

Not looking forward to a repeat of the iPhone 4 launch and all the frantic searching trying to find an O2 shop that (a) had micro SIM cards and (b) was willing to give them out to be ready for when my phone was delivered.

I was told afterwards by an O2 shop person that they had been told to stockpile them for new iPhone customers, in the end on launch day they had 150 SIM cards but only got 10 iPhones to sell, but still their manager wouldn't let them give them to existing customers.

Yes I know you can cut them down yourself, but FFS, it shouldn't have to come to that!

Gjwilly said:

He means no SIM at all.
A software based-SIM which is what Apple wanted from day one.

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Isnt Software-Based SIM basically the same thing as CDMA-no Sim?
I would think physical SIMs are good because you can swap them out and such when you go to other countries (on unlocked iPhones)...Physical SIMS always meant more transferability to me...CDMA-Non-SIMs always seemed more untransferable.