Apple Announces New Dock Connector Called 'Lightning' - Page 2

Want300 · Sep 12, 2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BmoreDrumGuy

$29 price tag? Yikes. Not horrible, but more than what I was hoping for.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD...30-pin-adapter

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Originally Posted by nickn

Changing $29 for a phone adapter is indeed revolutionary. No company has ever tried to extort that much money from their customers before.

$29?!?!?!?!?!

And I need at least two of these. That is insane

ctdonath · Sep 12, 2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GodWhomIsMike

By the way, is it me, or does the smaller pin looks woefully fragile as well?

A lot less fragile than the old connector, what with its paper-thin shell and sand-jamming narrow slot and itty bitty wires therein. A LOT less fragile.

And a lot less "dang, stuck it in the wrong way again".

WannaGoMac · Sep 12, 2012, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by appleguy123

...but it would make the syncing required with a phone upgrade much less of a headache.

Isn't that what iCloud is for?

mahk · Sep 12, 2012, 02:19 PM

On the Apple Store pages for the two adapters, they both have a warning about "Video and iPod Out not supported."

I get the video part, but does that mean I won't be able to use the adapter with the 30-pin cable in my car to play music?

DirtySocks85 · Sep 12, 2012, 02:20 PM

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/09/05/...ector-adapter/

So much for $10 each or 3 for $29 for those adapters. Well this sucks, hopefully there's some cheap knockoff cables on sites like Monoprice very very soon. Until then I suppose I'll just carry my one cable around in my backpack everywhere. Ugh.

Also: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD...30-pin-adapter

Currently says "Available to ship: October"

So does that mean we can't even order one for a launch date iPhone 5. Another ugh.

WannaGoMac · Sep 12, 2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Want300

$29?!?!?!?!?!

And I need at least two of these. That is insane

Agreed. Just have to wait for the ebay OEM versions in a couple months, probably be $5

appleguy123 · Sep 12, 2012, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WannaGoMac

Isn't that what iCloud is for?

Synching up to 64gb of media is time consuming on USB. iCloud is even slower than USB. A thunderbolt connection would have the 64gb iPhone filled in minutes, maybe even less time, depending on the iPhone's SSD speed.

motorazr · Sep 12, 2012, 02:23 PM

You'd think with a name like lightning, they planned for it to work with thunderbolt...

olowott · Sep 12, 2012, 02:23 PM

Just how more durable is the new adapters, and why that big white body ,

gonna cover the socket for earphones

imMango · Sep 12, 2012, 02:27 PM

USB 2.0 . lolol

This USB 2.0 cable connects your iPhone or iPod with Lightning connector to your computer's USB port for syncing and charging or to the Apple USB Power Adapter for convenient charging from a power point.

tigres · Sep 12, 2012, 02:33 PM

29.00 is bull ****.

Nuff said.

kas23 · Sep 12, 2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mahk

On the Apple Store pages for the two adapters, they both have a warning about "Video and iPod Out not supported."

I get the video part, but does that mean I won't be able to use the adapter with the 30-pin cable in my car to play music?

WTF! What's this used for then? Charging and syncing only? If I can use this to connect a new ip5 to my car stereo, then I'm not getting an ip5.

zorinlynx · Sep 12, 2012, 02:41 PM

The adapters do not support "iPod Out"

Does this mean that line-level audio outputs are no longer supported?

If so this SUCKS! All the devices out there that let you dock an iPhone to play music will no longer work.

Nice going, Apple.

Rodimus Prime · Sep 12, 2012, 02:43 PM

I will see this hurting Apple in the long run since all the manufactures are going to have to change the doc connector and anyone that uses all the annology outputs are screwed now.

What I see happening is the Apple dock connector being dropped by the manufactures and work with something that is not tied to a single OS as iOS is losing more and more market share by the day and that trend is not going to slow down for a while.

They want all that market so I see them going to something like blue tooth in the future.

spblat · Sep 12, 2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jav6454

Has to be USB 3 or Thunderbolt backed... potherwise, why name it Lightning?

This. I can't believe this is only USB 2.0 but given the silence from Apple I agree it must be. At a minimum Apple has to be thinking about using this connector for as much as 10 more years. So if it's not USB 3.0 today they need to be able to upgrade it in the future, when iPhone 6 comes out with faster connectivity.

But still. No USB 3.0 and it's called "Lightning"? Crazy.

Rodimus Prime · Sep 12, 2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by spblat

This. I can't believe this is only USB 2.0 but given the silence from Apple I agree it must be. At a minimum Apple has to be thinking about using this connector for as much as 10 more years. So if it's not USB 3.0 today they need to be able to upgrade it in the future, when iPhone 6 comes out with faster connectivity.

But still. No USB 3.0 and it's called "Lightning"? Crazy.

yep. That would be yet another reason why I would not want to buy any device right now that use Apple's dock connector as I know they are going to have to change it in the next few years.

Rocketman · 11:50 PM

Adaptive.

I get this as meaning they can put pretty much anything on the other end. TB, USB2/3, Micro-USB, FW800, Ethernet, HDMI, whatever. Given everybody has a firm idea of what is critical to them, this seems a sensible way to end the war. Absolutely nobody currently craves the new plug, but absolutely everybody craves a different other end.

To Apple it was all about versatility, manufacturability, flexibility, strength, and above all else, space savings.

They probably got it about right considering their need to satisfy most of the people most of the time.

So far the existing adapters seem to be Lightning to 30-pin and Lightning to USB. I suspect each variant will be a standalone product. *

Rocketman

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http://www.macrumors.com/2012/09/13/...s-coming-soon/

http://store.apple.com/fr/product/MD...-power-adapter

kas23 · Sep 12, 2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by zorinlynx

The adapters do not support "iPod Out"

Does this mean that line-level audio outputs are no longer supported?

If so this SUCKS! All the devices out there that let you dock an iPhone to play music will no longer work.

Nice going, Apple.

I was all psyched for today. Was 99% sure I was going to preorder a 5. Now, with the inability to listen to music in my car, I don't see myself preordering any longer. I don't want an iPhone I can't use in my car. And waiting for the accessory makers to make new accessories using the Lightening connection will be a slow process. This will be like going back in time when I couldn't use my first iPhone in my car.

NewbieCanada · Sep 12, 2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyr6

Lightning sounds like a lawsuit is coming as I am sure someone will think that word is copyrighted.

By who - Zeus?

Anyway, you can't trademark ordinary words. That's why it's Microsoft Excel and not just Excel,

Marcus-k · Sep 12, 2012, 02:58 PM

I wonder what those people who insisted Apple would include the adapter with the iPhone is thinking now, after they personally vouched for Apple not being so greedy...

milo · Sep 12, 2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by zorinlynx

The adapters do not support "iPod Out"

Does this mean that line-level audio outputs are no longer supported?

That's what I initially thought too, but googling it, it looks like "iPod out" is a specific feature where the iPod's screen display is output to other devices (cars etc). But they should still clarify that.

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Originally Posted by kas23

Now, with the inability to listen to music in my car...

Don't jump to conclusions.

Navdakilla · Sep 12, 2012, 03:03 PM

Not the biggest fan of this. But oh well, life goes on

sandman42 · Sep 12, 2012, 03:03 PM

To support analog line out, it seems like a pretty simple solution would be to make a connector that plugs into the lightning port and to the headphone port at the same time. in fact, I wonder if this wasn't part of the reason for moving the headphone port to the bottom. So far we haven't seen any connectors like this, but I expect they'll be coming...

ctdonath · Sep 12, 2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mahk

On the Apple Store pages for the two adapters, they both have a warning about "Video and iPod Out not supported."

The announcement noted "All-digital, 8-signal design." Ergo, no analog audio/video wiring to just connect in-product analog hardware to another device.

Yeah, backlash coming. I think it's the right move though; we're going into 2013 here and it's time to move away from analog interfaces.

BanterClaus · Sep 12, 2012, 03:07 PM

There should be a thunderbolt version of this. Very strange...

Sep 12, 2012, 02:19 PM	#29
mahk macrumors newbie Join Date: Jan 2004	Video/iPod Out? On the Apple Store pages for the two adapters, they both have a warning about "Video and iPod Out not supported." I get the video part, but does that mean I won't be able to use the adapter with the 30-pin cable in my car to play music?
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Sep 12, 2012, 02:20 PM	#30
DirtySocks85 macrumors 6502a Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Wichita, KS	http://www.macrumors.com/2012/09/05/...ector-adapter/ So much for $10 each or 3 for $29 for those adapters. Well this sucks, hopefully there's some cheap knockoff cables on sites like Monoprice very very soon. Until then I suppose I'll just carry my one cable around in my backpack everywhere. Ugh. Also: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD...30-pin-adapter Currently says "Available to ship: October" So does that mean we can't even order one for a launch date iPhone 5. Another ugh. __________________ Current: 13"MacBook Pro (mid 2010) iPhone 5 32GB Black/Slate iPod Classic 80GB • Canon EOS Rebel T3i • Nexus 7
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Sep 12, 2012, 02:23 PM	#33
motorazr macrumors regular Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Frozen Waste...wait. Duluth, Minnesota.	You'd think with a name like lightning, they planned for it to work with thunderbolt... __________________ iPhone 4, 32GB, Black • Canon 1D MKIII, 50mm 1.4 • 135L • 24-70mm & 70-200mm 2.8 • 11" i7 MBA, 1.8Ghz, 256GB • iMac 27" i7@3.4Ghz, 12GB • Also: I make iPhone Tripod Mounts! http://tinyurl.com/3dbvox9
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Sep 12, 2012, 02:23 PM	#34
olowott macrumors 6502 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Dundee, UK	Just how more durable is the new adapters, and why that big white body , gonna cover the socket for earphones __________________ 2011 13" Macbook pr-- iPhone 4s 16gb -- iPAD 2 32gb
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Sep 12, 2012, 02:33 PM	#36
tigres macrumors 68040 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Land of the Free-Waiting for Term Limits	29.00 is bull ****. Nuff said. __________________ Quicker than two shakes of a lambs tail
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Sep 12, 2012, 02:27 PM	#35
imMango macrumors member Join Date: Jun 2011	USB 2.0 . lolol This USB 2.0 cable connects your iPhone or iPod with Lightning connector to your computer's USB port for syncing and charging or to the Apple USB Power Adapter for convenient charging from a power point.
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Sep 12, 2012, 02:41 PM	#38
zorinlynx macrumors 65816 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida, USA	The adapters do not support "iPod Out" Does this mean that line-level audio outputs are no longer supported? If so this SUCKS! All the devices out there that let you dock an iPhone to play music will no longer work. Nice going, Apple. __________________ Old-school Apple ][ expert! Ask me if you have a ][ question! Apple user 1983-1992, 2003-Present -- Linux user 1995-Present Windows-free since 2003! Though I still have to deal with it at work.
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Sep 12, 2012, 02:43 PM	#39
Rodimus Prime Banned Join Date: Oct 2006	I will see this hurting Apple in the long run since all the manufactures are going to have to change the doc connector and anyone that uses all the annology outputs are screwed now. What I see happening is the Apple dock connector being dropped by the manufactures and work with something that is not tied to a single OS as iOS is losing more and more market share by the day and that trend is not going to slow down for a while. They want all that market so I see them going to something like blue tooth in the future.
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Sep 12, 2012, 02:51 PM	#42
Rocketman macrumors 601 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Claremont, CA	Adaptive. I get this as meaning they can put pretty much anything on the other end. TB, USB2/3, Micro-USB, FW800, Ethernet, HDMI, whatever. Given everybody has a firm idea of what is critical to them, this seems a sensible way to end the war. Absolutely nobody currently craves the new plug, but absolutely everybody craves a different other end. To Apple it was all about versatility, manufacturability, flexibility, strength, and above all else, space savings. They probably got it about right considering their need to satisfy most of the people most of the time. So far the existing adapters seem to be Lightning to 30-pin and Lightning to USB. I suspect each variant will be a standalone product. * Rocketman * http://www.macrumors.com/2012/09/13/...s-coming-soon/ http://store.apple.com/fr/product/MD...-power-adapter __________________ Think Different-ly! The President campaigned against Congress. D Sen is led by D Sen ML Reid and D VP and Sen Pres Biden, under orders of D Pres Obama. http://www.gop.gov/indepth/jobs/tracker Last edited by Rocketman; Sep 13, 2012 at 11:50 PM.
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Sep 12, 2012, 02:58 PM	#45
Marcus-k macrumors regular Join Date: Nov 2011	I wonder what those people who insisted Apple would include the adapter with the iPhone is thinking now, after they personally vouched for Apple not being so greedy...
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Sep 12, 2012, 03:03 PM	#47
Navdakilla macrumors 6502a Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Canada	Not the biggest fan of this. But oh well, life goes on __________________ New convert, and never turning back!!!
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Sep 12, 2012, 03:03 PM	#48
sandman42 macrumors 6502a Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Seattle	To support analog line out, it seems like a pretty simple solution would be to make a connector that plugs into the lightning port and to the headphone port at the same time. in fact, I wonder if this wasn't part of the reason for moving the headphone port to the bottom. So far we haven't seen any connectors like this, but I expect they'll be coming... __________________ Race fast, safe car.
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Sep 12, 2012, 03:07 PM	#50
BanterClaus macrumors regular Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: UK	There should be a thunderbolt version of this. Very strange... __________________ iPad 4 32GB iPhone 4 16GB iPod Touch 4 32GB 13" 2011 MacBook Pro \| i5 \| 8GB \| 120GB OCZ Vertex 3 SSD & 320GB HDD Gaming PC \| Quad i5 3.3GHz \| 8GB \| 1TB \| AMD 6970 2GB
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