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Old Sep 14, 2012, 11:22 AM   #1
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Unhappy iPhone 5 and your car.. Uh oh?

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The fact that the Lightning port uses eight purely digital pins calls into question whether the Lightning adapter would actually work with many cars' existing iPod or even USB ports. Current Kia and Hyundai models, and older BMW models, use an adapter cable that feeds the analog audio signal from the 30-pin connector to a 1/8-inch audio input, and a USB port to feed control signals between iPhone and car. Lightning does not have the capability to send an analog signal, so Apple's adapter will not work in those vehicles.

My new Audi A6 is in question and damn but if this is important to me....

More to follow I guess
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 11:25 AM   #2
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Its already been said that it will support analog audio out using the 30-PIN adapter. I have a Jeep which relied on that setup so I too was curious. I preordered the phones at 2:10 this morning.
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 11:27 AM   #3
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The fact that the Lightning port uses eight purely digital pins calls into question whether the Lightning adapter would actually work with many cars' existing iPod or even USB ports. Current Kia and Hyundai models, and older BMW models, use an adapter cable that feeds the analog audio signal from the 30-pin connector to a 1/8-inch audio input, and a USB port to feed control signals between iPhone and car. Lightning does not have the capability to send an analog signal, so Apple's adapter will not work in those vehicles.

My new Audi A6 is in question and damn but if this is important to me....

More to follow I guess
Bluetooth that sucker... Cable connections were so 2011.
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 11:28 AM   #4
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LOL my car is 13 years old. As long as the 5 has a head phone jack it will be playing through my tape deck hahaha
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 11:28 AM   #5
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Bluetooth that sucker... Cable connections were so 2011.
Yea WTF. Who uses cables?
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 11:29 AM   #6
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If you have a cable in your car already, you can use one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/271043461286...84.m1497.l2649
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 11:29 AM   #7
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The fact that the Lightning port uses eight purely digital pins calls into question whether the Lightning adapter would actually work with many cars' existing iPod or even USB ports. Current Kia and Hyundai models, and older BMW models, use an adapter cable that feeds the analog audio signal from the 30-pin connector to a 1/8-inch audio input, and a USB port to feed control signals between iPhone and car. Lightning does not have the capability to send an analog signal, so Apple's adapter will not work in those vehicles.

My new Audi A6 is in question and damn but if this is important to me....

More to follow I guess
It's not just older BMW's. I've got a 2012 3 series, and that uses the same "splitter" cable.
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 11:30 AM   #8
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Bluetooth that sucker... Cable connections were so 2011.
I was about to say that.


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Old Sep 14, 2012, 11:30 AM   #9
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Bluetooth that sucker... Cable connections were so 2011.
Well....for playing movies and music its not always the best or best quality option to BlueTooth it for my car...
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 11:31 AM   #10
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I have a 2010 Civic, its just a standard USB connection. Really hope this works without causing difficulty.
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 11:47 AM   #11
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How is it not going to work? The adapter is just that, an adapter. Analog to digital.

Apple wouldn't release something that doesn't work.
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 11:52 AM   #12
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Well....for playing movies and music its not always the best or best quality option to BlueTooth it for my car...
My 2012 Toyota w/Entune can cycle through songs faster over BT than it can using the USB Port.

Don't know about sound quality... Truck has a JBL sound system that makes me smile when the bass hits, so I am satisfied.
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 11:54 AM   #13
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I use wired connection in my 2012 Kia bc I like to see album art, etc on car screen. When I use BT, I don't get that.

Either way, I don't use the Kia adapter, I just plug straight into USB.
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 11:54 AM   #14
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vehicles with a 30pin ipod cable to mini DIN should function perfectly with the lightning adapter right?
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 11:56 AM   #15
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vehicles with a 30pin ipod cable to mini DIN should function perfectly with the lightning adapter right?
That is my understanding.

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Old Sep 14, 2012, 12:02 PM   #16
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Here's the skinny on this. And I wish I knew about this earlier before I preordered my iPhone 5.

After the Keynote, I sent an email to Tim Cook. While I did not get an email back, they did call me and I just spoke with a representative. He gave me good news and bad news.

Good news: the adaptor will allow you to hook your phone up to your 30-pin connector to your car and your music will play out through the speakers.

Bad news: you will no longer be able to navigate through your songs and play them via the screen on your dashboard.

I hope this has clarified this issue for most. I see this as bad news, but at least something I can live with. That said, I probably would have held off on preordering.

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It's not just older BMW's. I've got a 2012 3 series, and that uses the same "splitter" cable.
My hope is that BMW comes out with a new adaptor in due time.
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 12:02 PM   #17
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Thanks, I just installed an ipod adapter in my car 2 days before the event thinking i was going to pass on the iphone 5...spoke too soon lolz.
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 12:05 PM   #18
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I use wired connection in my 2012 Kia bc I like to see album art, etc on car screen. When I use BT, I don't get that.

Either way, I don't use the Kia adapter, I just plug straight into USB.
Right. Additionally, I play movies/Video and the wired connection simply works better.

Seems that some are saying it WILL have analog, and others are saying Lightning is fully digital.
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 12:08 PM   #19
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Lightning is fully digital; the Lightning-to-30pin adapter has a DAC, so with the adapter you will still get analog audio.

Info from Apple given to Macworld:
"Astute readers may have noticed that the Lightning connector does not support analog audio-out, but the 30-pin adapters do. That’s because hidden away inside each 30-pin adapter is a digital-to-analog converter (DAC) that converts the Lightning connector’s digital audio signal to an analog version. (The inclusion of a DAC explains at least part of the price of the adapters.)"

Product listing on Apple's site:
"This adapter lets you connect devices with a Lightning connector to many of your 30-pin accessories.* Support for analog audio output, USB audio, as well as syncing and charging. Video output not supported."

Even with this, though, we still won't know 100% for sure that it'll work with adapters such as the Hyundai ones. Hell, even if it would there's a chance iOS6 would break compatibility anyway lol.

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Old Sep 14, 2012, 12:08 PM   #20
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I use wired connection in my 2012 Kia bc I like to see album art, etc on car screen. When I use BT, I don't get that.

Either way, I don't use the Kia adapter, I just plug straight into USB.
Bingo. Same with our Lexus. BT works but the UI is inferior.
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 12:09 PM   #21
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Here's the skinny on this. And I wish I knew about this earlier before I preordered my iPhone 5.

After the Keynote, I sent an email to Tim Cook. While I did not get an email back, they did call me and I just spoke with a representative. He gave me good news and bad news.

Good news: the adaptor will allow you to hook your phone up to your 30-pin connector to your car and your music will play out through the speakers.

Bad news: you will no longer be able to navigate through your songs and play them via the screen on your dashboard.

I hope this has clarified this issue for most. I see this as bad news, but at least something I can live with. That said, I probably would have held off on preordering.


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My hope is that BMW comes out with a new adaptor in due time.

That's what I believed as well from reading. Seems we must wait for digital to analog adaptors or new propriatary cables.

I will most likely now use my iPhone 4 for music and movies and have the 5 over bluetooth for hands free calling etc, not sure if that means I lose the ability to auto kill sound when I get a call for my Audi.
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 12:09 PM   #22
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Loving the Aux jack in my car right now...
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 12:14 PM   #23
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It's not just older BMW's. I've got a 2012 3 series, and that uses the same "splitter" cable.
?. My 2011 335i w/ the iPhone pkg uses a regular dock connector cable & plugs into the cars' USB port. If the 2012 requires the BMW splitter cable they are going backwards -- had that on my '07.
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Loving the Aux jack in my car right now...
Well, there's really no huge reason to love it. Basically anyone who used to connect their iPhone to the 30 pin connector will be now be basically connecting their iPhone into a makeshift Aux jack now. Except the adaptor will give the ability to charge your phone in addition, where the aux jack does not. Myself, I'll definitely be missing the songs on the screen of my dash. Or maybe I'll keep my 4S as an iPod. Having to sync 2 devices could be cumbersome though.
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 12:22 PM   #25
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BMW will make a new connector and yeah you'll pay quite a bit for it.
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