Apple's Pandora-Killer Delayed Over Song Licensing Negotiations - Page 3

gugy · Sep 28, 2012, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FlameofAnor

Why do people have this false notion that music streaming takes anything away from designing computers?

Apple is a big company, and the people working on iTunes are not designing "computers for professionals". I do believe that Apple can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Sure they can but they have not being doing that as of late.

FlameofAnor · Sep 28, 2012, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TableSyrup

As a musician myself (with music on over 48 retailers, dozens of internet radio services, and soundtrack for TV shows), I'm glad Sony isn't budging.....

The royalties paid on streams are a joke.

In many cases, even TENTHS of cents is being generous. More like TENTH

Not saying all these companies are getting rich off this, but the payout really is pathetic. Ends up being more of an 'exposure' thing for musicians, than it is about revenue.

The rate may be poor for the musician, but the question is why should Apple pay a higher rate than any of the other streaming services? That hardly seems fair or acceptable, as far as Apple is concerned.

GorgonPhone · Sep 28, 2012, 12:28 PM

we dont need any more music streaming apps pandora is fine..

FlameofAnor · Sep 28, 2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gugy

Sure they can but they have not being doing that as of late.

Well, one thing is for certain, Apple doesn't do major updates until they feel the time is right. Their timetable, and yours, may not coincide. I believe Tim Cook has already said that the pro line will be addressed next year.

WildCowboy · Sep 28, 2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Allenbf

I didn't mean just MR, do you read articles outside of this forum?

Of course I do. But your assertion of "every article" is a little silly even as hyperbole, simply just from looking at our site.

Laird Knox · Sep 28, 2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Allenbf

Why does every article need a "-killer" in it? ipad-killer...pandora-killer...

Sigh.

I thought it said "panda-killer." I was expecting a very different article.

rorschach · Sep 28, 2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gugy

That's fine if they want to do this. I just wish they can focus on more important things like "computers" for professionals.

I certainly wouldn't mind that.

On a similar note, I find it annoying when people blame MR for the lack of Mac news. Blame Apple for not updating the Macs! If there's news, it'll be posted.

Mundty · Sep 28, 2012, 12:42 PM

I don't know if I'd be willing to give up Pandora for an iTunes equivalent. I'm usually all for the native Apps that Apple provides. But honestly, Pandora has been a good service since day one and I'm not sure I see any reason to switch.

gugy · Sep 28, 2012, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FlameofAnor

Well, one thing is for certain, Apple doesn't do major updates until they feel the time is right. Their timetable, and yours, may not coincide. I believe Tim Cook has already said that the pro line will be addressed next year.

Well, while I am fine of them taking their time to get it right. The MacPro and ACD line that I was originally referring to has been without a significant upgrade for years.
My only consolation is an email Tim sent I think at the beginning of the year stating that the pro line still alive. So we can only hope this baby will finally come to life sometime soon.

winston1236 · Sep 28, 2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Technarchy

I certainly enjoy Spotify. I'm sure Apple, with a much larger catalog, can offer a better service.

I love spotify too, it would be hard for apple to come up with anything better unless they brought the "back" button back

Colpeas · Sep 28, 2012, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gugy

Humm, Does Apple really need to go after this?
Look what happened to Maps. I really don't want them to foray on everything.

Bring a new kick ass MacPro and hi-end ACDs please......

OT: Yes, and i hope they'll bring back 24" and 30" 16:10 variants with matte as an option one day...

WoodNUFC · Sep 28, 2012, 01:02 PM

I'm too happy with Spotify to switch to anything else. But if Apple can do the service well and not half-a** it, I'm sure a lot of people would use it.

blizaine · Sep 28, 2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BiteMyApple

Pandora + PandaBar integrated to my OS. Free and no ads. Don't really need much more than that. But thanks Apple.

Image

yeah, that's kick ass.

thx!

FlameofAnor · Sep 28, 2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by gugy

Well, while I am fine of them taking their time to get it right. The MacPro and ACD line that I was originally referring to has been without a significant upgrade for years.
My only consolation is an email Tim sent I think at the beginning of the year stating that the pro line still alive. So we can only hope this baby will finally come to life sometime soon.

I certainly understand the frustration, but considering the pro line is a much smaller part of Apple sales these days, it naturally won't be the highest priority. You can't really expect a company to devote as much time to a product line that appeals to a much smaller market.

gugy · Sep 28, 2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FlameofAnor

I certainly understand the frustration, but considering the pro line is a much smaller part of Apple sales these days, it naturally won't be the highest priority. You can't really expect a company to devote as much time to a product line that appeals to a much smaller market.

Not expecting devotion. I know Apple's bread and butter now is iOS and the iToys.
The thing is the desktop professional line is abandoned. Only portables have seem serious updates. But again, I am still hopeful something might come up in the next 12 months that might finally make us happy.

crossifixio · Sep 28, 2012, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bushido

please fix iTunes Match first! having no cover art on half my songs is pushing my OCD limit

Haha same here! although only a few missing but still very irritating!

DamonBowser · Sep 28, 2012, 02:03 PM

Pandora? Why not use last.fm

All based on prefrence though and I just prefer a survice like last.fm that actualy offers international music in anon botched form, and also works with listeners to imrpove.

AppleScruff1 · Sep 28, 2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cxny

I don't have a problem with them wanting a piece of the digital marketplace, but as I said even little of the revenue from streaming services is better than nothing. If they wait too long they will fail.

Do you think Apple agrees with a little bit is better than nothing when it comes to their IP?

doubletap · Sep 28, 2012, 02:33 PM

If Apple was in the process of negotiating fees for streaming music, it sounds like they were developing an on-demand service like Spotify.

The DMCA allows for anyone to stream music as long as some requirements and limits are followed - like it cannot be an on-demand service.

dt

lilo777 · Sep 28, 2012, 02:47 PM

So... Pandora just killed Apple's Pandora-Killer

Shaun, UK · Sep 28, 2012, 02:48 PM

I would rather Apple put their efforts into other areas, like finally adding the option to buy lossless music on the iTunes Store. If they can sell SD and HD films and tv shows they can do the same with music. It would also help to differentiate iTunes from the likes of Pandora and Spotify who stream compressed music.

I'd also like to see them offer the option to store your iTunes library in iCloud with the ability to download or stream all your content. I buy a lot of films and tv shows and it's a pain having to download everything. It's clogging up my hard drive and slowing my internet connection. It would so much easier if I could buy a film or tv show from the iTunes Store and just leave in my iCloud folder. Then I could stream it to my AppleTV or computer to watch it. If I want to take it with me then I can always download it later to my iPad or laptop. I was hoping this facility would make it into iTunes 11 but sadly not.

extradryny · Sep 28, 2012, 02:56 PM

Isn't launching a "pandora-like" music service kind of like launching a "myspace-like" social network?

All the cool kids use Spotify.

jaymzuk · Sep 28, 2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FlameofAnor

The rate may be poor for the musician, but the question is why should Apple pay a higher rate than any of the other streaming services? That hardly seems fair or acceptable, as far as Apple is concerned.

The post reports that Apple wants better licencing rates, which I read to be paying less to Sony. It's very fair

Also, why should Sony feel compelled to enter into a streaming agreement with Apple? Sony want a price that Apple weren't willing to pay, therefore no transaction took place. You can say that sales might increase through directing through the iTunes stores, however that particular deal would mean Sony get less revenue on streams than Pandora and Spotify, then Apple takes 30% of the album revenue through iTunes anyway.

Sony have many vested interests. They sell music players, music, desktop machines, laptops, tablets, smartphones. What possible incentive is there for them to bend over and accept a worse offer on streaming when the whole deal threatens their music player/tablet/smartphone/content business model?

When Apple offers enough money, Sony will give access to the content

i hate phones · Sep 28, 2012, 03:17 PM

how do musicians even still exist today? how do they make a living? between streaming services, storefronts, and record labels all taking a cut, what's left for the actual creater/artist? seems a bit backwards to me. and that's not even getting into pirating.

G51989 · Sep 28, 2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by i hate phones

how do musicians even still exist today? how do they make a living? between streaming services, storefronts, and record labels all taking a cut, what's left for the actual creater/artist? seems a bit backwards to me. and that's not even getting into pirating.

Musicians don't make very much money from records and streaming, they make most of it from touring.

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Mundty macrumors member Join Date: May 2012	I don't know if I'd be willing to give up Pandora for an iTunes equivalent. I'm usually all for the native Apps that Apple provides. But honestly, Pandora has been a good service since day one and I'm not sure I see any reason to switch. __________________ iPhone 5 Apple TV 3rd Gen 13" MacBook Pro Mid-2009 Mac Pro 2013 (coming soon)
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Sep 28, 2012, 01:02 PM	#62
WoodNUFC macrumors regular Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bergen County, NJ	I'm too happy with Spotify to switch to anything else. But if Apple can do the service well and not half-a** it, I'm sure a lot of people would use it.
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Sep 28, 2012, 02:03 PM	#67
DamonBowser macrumors newbie Join Date: Jul 2012	Pandora? Why not use last.fm All based on prefrence though and I just prefer a survice like last.fm that actualy offers international music in anon botched form, and also works with listeners to imrpove.
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Sep 28, 2012, 02:33 PM	#69
doubletap macrumors regular Join Date: Jan 2009	If Apple was in the process of negotiating fees for streaming music, it sounds like they were developing an on-demand service like Spotify. The DMCA allows for anyone to stream music as long as some requirements and limits are followed - like it cannot be an on-demand service. dt
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Sep 28, 2012, 02:47 PM	#70
lilo777 In Time-Out Join Date: Nov 2009	So... Pandora just killed Apple's Pandora-Killer
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Sep 28, 2012, 02:48 PM	#71
Shaun, UK macrumors 6502a Join Date: Mar 2006	I would rather Apple put their efforts into other areas, like finally adding the option to buy lossless music on the iTunes Store. If they can sell SD and HD films and tv shows they can do the same with music. It would also help to differentiate iTunes from the likes of Pandora and Spotify who stream compressed music. I'd also like to see them offer the option to store your iTunes library in iCloud with the ability to download or stream all your content. I buy a lot of films and tv shows and it's a pain having to download everything. It's clogging up my hard drive and slowing my internet connection. It would so much easier if I could buy a film or tv show from the iTunes Store and just leave in my iCloud folder. Then I could stream it to my AppleTV or computer to watch it. If I want to take it with me then I can always download it later to my iPad or laptop. I was hoping this facility would make it into iTunes 11 but sadly not.
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Sep 28, 2012, 02:56 PM	#72
extradryny macrumors member Join Date: Jun 2011	Isn't launching a "pandora-like" music service kind of like launching a "myspace-like" social network? All the cool kids use Spotify.
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Sep 28, 2012, 03:17 PM	#74
i hate phones macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Philly Suburbs, PA	how do musicians even still exist today? how do they make a living? between streaming services, storefronts, and record labels all taking a cut, what's left for the actual creater/artist? seems a bit backwards to me. and that's not even getting into pirating.
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