MartyCan
macrumors 68000
Now THAT was funny!
By the way my iPad Mini just arrived. Screen looks fine to me. Opened some pictures from my Photo Stream and zoomed in to the max. Did not notice it looking pixeled.
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iPad mini [MERGED] The iPad Mini looks beautiful until you turn it on.
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Now THAT was funny!
By the way my iPad Mini just arrived. Screen looks fine to me. Opened some pictures from my Photo Stream and zoomed in to the max. Did not notice it looking pixeled.
rockyroad55
macrumors 601
I'm not saying it isn't usable but for my needs the device is amazing. The size is excellent and I weigh that more than the screen itself.
crazy to call it unusable. are you using it for graphic design or some kind of production? when you go to someone else's house is their TV unusable because your standards in picture definition?
StoneJack
macrumors 68040
So if people can't see individual pixels on mini, by your definition it must be retina for them?
I agree with the OP. the difference is huge when you view any kind of text heavy website. I wish they would have given us a retina option and charged more like the MacBooks
It's usually not pictures where it's the most noticeable. It would be stuff like reading PDFs, reading books in iBooks, etc. the font will be noticeably less "sharp"
Well you did get charged more than the average 7" tablet, you just didn't get your moneys worth lol
53x12
macrumors 68000
I don't believe that is what he is saying at all. There is a certain limit of ppi that needs to be met to make it RD.
In my opinion and I have both, at least until Apple collect my Mini iPad, the Nexus 7 screen is far superior. The iPad Mini just doesn't come close.
Poochi
macrumors 6502a
plastic bad-apps 7" non-apple tablets aren't worth much to begin with because you can't do much.
$329 for a mini is definitely a good value.
I agree. I wish there had been a retina option. I'd have been willing to pay even more--and we're already paying a premium over other 7" devices. But the retina would have made it the perfect device for me and more so than the heavier iPad 4. But maybe that's why--to try to prevent cannibalization this year anyways. I still went for the light Mini over the iPad 4 in the end though.. just less happily.
StoneJack
macrumors 68040
I guess 5 mp f/2.4 camera, leading in its class of tablets, 30% larger screen and 25% less weight and bulkiness means something?
Well I changed my mind. After playing around with this all morning, the screen is definitely a deal breaker. Oh well, so the wait begins for gen 2.
Pathetic how everyone that doesnt praise the holy reliogion of Apple gets labeled as a troll.
I tried the Mini myself and had the same reaction as the TS: the screen is crappy compared to an iPad 3/4 or iPhone 5.
The lamest thing is people denying this, or saying that non retina is fine.
If non retina is so fine, then why the hell does Apple produce all their hardware with retina displays now?
well Nexus 7 is definitely significantly higher PPI. 216 v. 164. People are like "OMG iPad mini has higher PPI than iPad 2 (130 ish ppi) so it'll be way better" and then "there isn't a noticeable difference between Nexus and iPad mini screens!" these statements are pretty inconsistent. but it is funny that retina was so important when Apple introduced it and when they introduce a new model with a low-res screen there are so many people being like OMG STOP WHINING, YOU CAN BARELY TELL THE DIFFERENCE.
THE REASON IT ISN'T RETINA:
Apple had 2 options with the mini. iPad 1/2 resolution or iPad 3 resolution. If they made the mini with a retina display (326 ppi like iphone, 2048x1536 iPad 3 resolution) then why would anyone spend the extra money to get the larger iPad? There would be no reason at that point. The power and beauty would be a niche market due to its.. how do MR readers describe it... clunkiness? If you guys wanted a smaller iPad with A6X and retina, it would be 499. End of story.
Yes, it may be retina in the future, but it's not like Apple held out the feature on purpose to be an evil conspirator. 163 ppi on an iPad looks great. Definitely clearer and sharper that the 132 like on the iPad 1/2.
Apple had 2 options with the mini. iPad 1/2 resolution or iPad 3 resolution. If they made the mini with a retina display (326 ppi like iphone, 2048x1536 iPad 3 resolution) then why would anyone spend the extra money to get the larger iPad? There would be no reason at that point. The power and beauty would be a niche market due to its.. how do MR readers describe it... clunkiness? If you guys wanted a smaller iPad with A6X and retina, it would be 499. End of story.
Yes, it may be retina in the future, but it's not like Apple held out the feature on purpose to be an evil conspirator. 163 ppi on an iPad looks great. Definitely clearer and sharper that the 132 like on the iPad 1/2.
StoneJack
macrumors 68040
But mini is not low-res. By Google definitions, it belongs to medium density screen.
I want to love it too. The form factor is perfect. But after reading and surfing the web all morning, its clear they should have increased the resolution.
Apple has two markets. People that want the very best product, and people who only care about how it works. The first cares about tech specs and pixel density, while the latter (which is most people) just want it to work with that classic apple magic. Those are 2 different groups of people you're quoting. Retina is magical, and the people that say that are holding out for a mini WITH retina. The latter appreciates the lower price point coupled with the iPad experience. Yes, the screen has slightly larger pixels than the Nexus 7, but those people don't care.
tl;dr: You have committed the fallacy of equivocation.
I've always thought Apple will ultimately not go with the iPad 3 resolution for a retina Mini. It would be very high PPI (same as the iPhone, which according to apple is supposed to be held closer), so ultimately they would come up with another resolution to bring the PPI closer to the 264 of the iPad 3. I understand this causes "fragmentation" and causes apps to get letterboxed or whatnot until they get updated. But I'm still not convinced that Apple will see the need to bring 326 PPI to the iPad mini in the future. I guess we will see--I know it's something Apple generally prides itself on, but we know with the iPhone 5 they were willing to go with a new resolution that did require apps to be updated. Yes iPhone is a flagship product but I bet Mini will be a very popular device indeed, and why should Apple have to cripple its products or put in an unnecessarily demanding screen on a tablet (meant to be held further away than an iPhone, to borrow their lingo) which would mean burning more battery life, etc.?
Obviously I was wrong that Apple would put in an in-between resolution, but it might happen next year.
I usually play w/ the device at the A-store before I buy. My exception was the iPhone 5 since my 4 was being quirky.
Making a trip to the Apple store this weekend just to get a hands on feel for new 'lil guy'.
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Making a trip to the Apple store this weekend just to get a hands on feel for new 'lil guy'.
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"Unuseable"?😱
lolz
I am perfectly happy with my new mini. I think the screen is nice enough. Is it as nice as my iPhone 5's screen? No, but as long as I don't hold it 4 inches from my face, I can't see the pixels.
This iPad mini is the iPad that I've been waiting for since the 1st iPad came out. I had the 1 and 2, and always felt they were a bit big and heavy for my liking. This is perfect. I'm looking forward to seeing how it improves with newer generations.
lolz
I am perfectly happy with my new mini. I think the screen is nice enough. Is it as nice as my iPhone 5's screen? No, but as long as I don't hold it 4 inches from my face, I can't see the pixels.
This iPad mini is the iPad that I've been waiting for since the 1st iPad came out. I had the 1 and 2, and always felt they were a bit big and heavy for my liking. This is perfect. I'm looking forward to seeing how it improves with newer generations.
tomegun
macrumors 6502
I think we will see an iPad Mini with similar specs as the iPad 4 in March for about $50 less than the iPad 4. I think they will keep the mini released today as a cheaper option. This is similar to what they are doing now with the larger iPads and with the retina MBPs (in some configurations the 13" costs the same as the 15" with lower specs).
Eh I understand what you mean but I think you'd be wrong in some cases. I bet you could find posters who have posted very inconsistent statements about retina when each product (iPad 3 and mini) were released. There honestly ARE a lot of people who love anything Apple does, even when it's inconsistent. and yes, I think the iPad mini resolution/ppi is inconsistent with Apple's direction. Retina is something Apple has been pushing and marketing as a big feature of their new products. It's disappointing when a new product is released with an outdated screen resolution, coming from Apple.
GeorgieAcevedo
macrumors 6502a
I really want to read the post here but I feel everyone would be saying the same crap. What more is there to say. It's not retina but its not bad. That's it.