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Old Nov 3, 2012, 11:31 PM   #26
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I hope you're being humorous right ? Left of Lenin ?
Ok, you got me. It's not "literally" a communist state.

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He/she overlooks the fact that the majority (by a good number) of Californian governors have been Republican.
16 Democrats, 2 Other, and 22 Republicans. So 15% more is a "good number"--check.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._of_California


Assembly has been in control of Dems since 1970 except for 1995-1996. Senate in control of Dems without break since 1970.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califor...te_Legislature

- Spending has doubled, from $51 billion in 1991 to over $144 in 2009.
- Most progressive income tax system in the nation: 7 income tax brackets.
- Second-highest top marginal rate.
- California has both the highest state deficit in the country and the highest personal income tax.

http://tinyurl.com/bdqnf9c

Don't worry though. Uncle O can help find a way to help blame Republicans for the mess this state is in I'm sure.
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 12:52 AM   #27
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 12:58 AM   #28
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16 Democrats, 2 Other, and 22 Republicans. So 15% more is a "good number"--check.
55% compared to 40% is not a "good number" more?

Pray tell ... what is?



Edit: it's even worse when you add up the number of years in office (from your source). My questionable addition comes up with ~102 years of Republicans vs. ~54 years Democrat.

How's that for a "good number" more?

In my book ... that's a pretty "good number" more.

Check.

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Romney wins big. Republican turnout this year will ensure it. Can't wait.
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They have promised to reduce the taxing burden in the capacity of my inbox by Wednesday. I think I read it correctly.
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Wow. You commit to one position about as good as Romney does! LOL
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a. Romney has a chance to win big, or just with a small lead

b. If Obama wins, it will be with a small lead

Have fun, we are only making predictions here
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55% compared to 40% is not a "good number" more?

Pray tell ... what is?



Edit: it's even worse when you add up the number of years in office (from your source). My questionable addition comes up with ~102 years of Republicans vs. ~54 years Democrat.

How's that for a "good number" more?

In my book ... that's a pretty "good number" more.

Check.
Ah, so change the measure in the middle of the discussion from the number of republican governors to the number of years governors have been in office--got it. Thanks for the clarification. Whatever the case, the Dems in CA are spending the state into oblivion, businesses and citizens are leaving. So much for progressive government. Have fun with that.
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Ok, you got me. It's not "literally" a communist state.


If it was literally communist, and anything like any of the other modern communist states, it would be much better run.

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16 Democrats, 2 Other, and 22 Republicans. So 15% more is a "good number"
Even if it isn't a "good number" it's hardly as if California is a Democratic paradise.

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- Spending has doubled, from $51 billion in 1991 to over $144 in 2009.
- Most progressive income tax system in the nation: 7 income tax brackets.
- Second-highest top marginal rate.
- California has both the highest state deficit in the country and the highest personal income tax.
So it's nothing to do with all those ballot initiatives...
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 07:19 AM   #34
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I think Obama will win by a comfortable lead. Then again, maybe I have too much faith in people to not vote for Romney.
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 07:28 AM   #35
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Obama by a not comfortable margin, but not "razor thin" either. Maybe like 290-250 or something like that.
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 09:37 AM   #37
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Obama by a not comfortable margin, but not "razor thin" either. Maybe like 290-250 or something like that.
I too thought 'reasonable' would have been a better word choice.
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I think Obama will win the popular vote by a razor-thin margin, and win the electoral vote with a comfortable margin. Unless, of course the GOP plays dirty and commits voter fraud. Then Romney will win both categories.
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 10:45 AM   #39
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Ah, so change the measure in the middle of the discussion from the number of republican governors to the number of years governors have been in office--got it.



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If California weren't guaranteed to vote left of Lenin, it would make sense to campaign there. The state hasn't gone Republican since 1988.
By your own measurement, the following states are also "left of Lenin", with some even further left than California ... which has got to be impossible, right?

Arkansas
Connecticut
Delaware
Georgia
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Minnesota
New Jersey
New York
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Vermont
Washington
Wisconsin


Conversely (by your measurement), if those states are "left of Lenin", what are the following states, "right of Hitler"?

Alabama
Alaska
Idaho
Kansas
Mississippi
Nebraska
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Texas
Utah
Wyoming


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...sults_by_state
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I think it will be a razor-thin margin, whoever wins.
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 11:06 AM   #41
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Honestly, no idea. I think Obama wins though, but either not by much or a landslide (depends on which polls are right).
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By your own measurement, the following states are also "left of Lenin", with some even further left than California ... which has got to be impossible, right?

Arkansas
Connecticut
Delaware
Georgia
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Minnesota
New Jersey
New York
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Vermont
Washington
Wisconsin


Conversely (by your measurement), if those states are "left of Lenin", what are the following states, "right of Hitler"?

Alabama
Alaska
Idaho
Kansas
Mississippi
Nebraska
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Texas
Utah
Wyoming


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...sults_by_state
Highest taxes, highest debt, ridiculous number of govt agencies, budget process nobody can manage, and a democratic legislature virtually since 1970. CA prides itself on left leaning progressive government.

Most states have their problems these days but their citizens and businesses aren't flocking to Texas because the lefties have created such a toxic environment they view these moves as essential to their survival.

All I can say is enjoy the debt, enjoy austerity, and keep the dems in control so CA can be the standard bearer on why excessive government is destined to fail. Californians have nobody to blame but themselves.
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Highest taxes, highest debt, ridiculous number of govt agencies, budget process nobody can manage, and a democratic legislature virtually since 1970. CA prides itself on left leaning progressive government.
So its nothing to do with the ballot initiatives. Its all the Democrats. Got it.
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Highest taxes
What?

California ranks 13th in personal income tax (per $1,000), 24th in sales and excise tax (per $1,000), and 22nd in total taxes (Includes property taxes, personal income taxes, and sales and excise taxes. Per $1,000)

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/total_taxes/

The only case I've seen that backs up your assertion is if you simply add up the total amount of taxes taken in by the state, which has more to do with the size of the states population and the economy than anything else.

Yes. Big economies take in more taxes than small economies. I'm sure glad we figured that one out.




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highest debt
What?

Again. If you go by the simplistic measure of total amount, then yes, California has the highest debt. If however you look at that deficit as a percentage of the state's GDP ... a far more accurate assessment than just sum total, then California (20.02%) is in better fiscal shape than the following states ...

Washington — 20.22%
Illinois — 20.28%
Kansas — 20.70%
Nevada — 20.71%
Pennsylvania — 21.52%
South Carolina — 22.51%
Rhode Island — 23.45%
Massachusetts — 24.30%
Kentucky — 25.67%
New York — 27.02%

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ridiculous number of govt agencies
Ridiculous way to quantify it.



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budget process nobody can manage
Yet every year they do.

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I feel the voters that the ads and polls are aimed for or about will come out to vote Obama no matter what. The voters that will decide this election don't care about issues or hate ads, they will vote the same way they did last election. No persuasion required. The only threat Romney has is to win enough states for the electoral margin to win overall. This election isn't about a particular man or ideals, its the anointed one going through the formality of the re-election process.

I still voted, but this election is not really in the hands of informed voters. I hope my negative attitude is wrong.
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I picked No. 2 - Romney by razor thin. Although I believe it will be days if not a couple of weeks before anything is final.
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What? ....
Yet every year they do.
no, every year they find a way to get around passing a budget

a 2/3rds majority is required to pass a budget in california which leads to endless absurd games being played, some of which are nothing but extortion, and ultimately lead to a fantasy budget that we have to pretend is real.......and then we do it again the next year

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Romney wins big. Republican turnout this year will ensure it. Can't wait.
Someone needs to watch Rachel Maddow's show from Friday explaining how when Republicans go into the state of PA at the last minute, that it is a sign of desperation and that they always lose.

You'll want to fast forward it to the 4:30 mark for the PA talk:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#49668788
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What?

California ranks 13th in personal income tax (per $1,000), 24th in sales and excise tax (per $1,000), and 22nd in total taxes (Includes property taxes, personal income taxes, and sales and excise taxes. Per $1,000)
I'm sorry, second highest tax rate:
California's Top Individual Income Tax Rate Is Second Highest in the Nation
With seven brackets and a top rate of 10.3 percent for those earning over $1,000,000, California's individual income tax has the second highest rate and one of the most highly progressive structures in the nation.

http://taxfoundation.org/state-tax-climate/california
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The only case I've seen that backs up your assertion is if you simply add up the total amount of taxes taken in...
I have to concede on th highest debt per GDP; however, so many indicators show California at or near the top of some very undesirable statistics: http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives...y-the-numbers/

And there's nothing to be proud of being in the bottom fifth of the nation on debt for an economy and population as large as CA. I don't care enough to do the math, but what percentage of those states in worse shape are predominantly democratic? Looked like most to me. NY and NJ seem to be in the running with CA for highest/worst stats in article after article.
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Ridiculous way to quantify it.
Ok, this better? Looks ridiculous to me.

California Academic Performance Index (API) * California Access for Infants and Mothers * California Acupuncture Board * California Administrative Office of the Courts * California Adoptions Branch * California African American Museum * California Agricultural Export Program * California Agricultural Labor Relations Board * California Agricultural Statistics Service * California Air Resources Board (CARB) * California Allocation Board * California Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority * California Animal Health and Food Safety Services * California Anti-Terrorism Information Center * California Apprenticeship Council * California Arbitration Certification Program * California Architects Board * California Area VI Developmental Disabilities Board * California Arts Council * California Asian Pacific Islander Legislative Caucus * California Assembly Democratic Caucus * California Assembly Republican Caucus * California Athletic Commission * California Attorney 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Yet every year they do.
Bond ratings for state governments shows California with the lowest rating of any state.
http://www.governing.com/columns/pub...ix-itself.html

And to top that off, Brown had to veto his own party's budget:
"In June, the Legislature, faced with Republican opposition to the tax hikes, passed a budget without them. But Mr. Brown promptly vetoed it, saying the budget contained 'legally questionable maneuvers, costly borrowing and unrealistic savings.'"

"Brown also wants voters to approve tax increases to head off even more cuts to the state’s already decimated education system."

http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/new..._09/index.html

Yeah, great budget management going on there. Keep telling yourself that.

Bottom five for cost of living (surrounded by NJ and NY), and bottom four for business friendliness flanked again by NJ and NY.

[Far right column is overall cost of living, third from right is business friendliness] from: http://www.cnbc.com/id/46413848

Again, enjoy austerity. Keep those Dems in office; the rest of the nation needs an example of how not to run government.
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no, every year they find a way to get around passing a budget

a 2/3rds majority is required to pass a budget in california which leads to endless absurd games being played, some of which are nothing but extortion, and ultimately lead to a fantasy budget that we have to pretend is real.......and then we do it again the next year
This.

This is NOT effective budget management.
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