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Old Nov 6, 2012, 08:57 PM   #151
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actually, yes it is. it's just part of good business today.
You miss my point. Apple is trying to address competition through the courts instead of through product development. If they thought they could compete with products they would. Suing Samsung repeatedly, especially with these weak cases, signals to everyone that they are deeply concerned and not coping all that well with the competitive pressure.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:05 PM   #152
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Just give it up Apple. You've gone to far. Spend the money on innovating. Not suing.
You want Apple to spend less on lawsuits and more are innovating. So what, they can create more things for folks to copy without any punishment. Google would love that, they already think all things Apple should be de facto standards since they are popular

Meanwhile folks will continue too sue Apple over everything including exhausted SEP

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Judge Lucy Koh should really be pissed and fed up with these stupid lawsuits
They stop and she's out of a job
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:06 PM   #153
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You want Apple to spend less on lawsuits and more are innovating. So what, they can create more things for folks to copy without any punishment. Google would love that, they already think all things Apple should be de facto standards since they are popular

Meanwhile folks will continue too sue Apple over everything including exhausted SEP


what idea was copied in story? that stylus apple used in 1989?
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:12 PM   #154
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I really hope samsung loose , i extremely dislike all of their products.
I hope they are tight.

Why have you extremely used all of their products if you dislike all of their products?

Over and out, Mork.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:15 PM   #155
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I'd love to see what would happen if Samsung simply stopped supplying Apple with NAND flash memory and LCD screens.
They would be sued for contract violation.

If they wait and refuse to sign any new contracts they would lose a ton of money cause making parts for Apple is big business for them

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wow. you just aren't getting it, are you? Under U.S. patent law, if you don't "actively" defend your patent, you lose it.
That rule only applies to trademarks. Same as the use laws.

That you can go for years not using or defending a patent until someone makes it big off 'your' property is one of the biggest issues with US patent law. It is how patent trolling can even exist
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:17 PM   #156
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Apple to sue Nintendo for its use of stylus for DS, DSi, DSiXL, DS3D, DS3DXL.

When was the stylus invented?
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:26 PM   #157
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Ok, I do get that, but then the question is why aren't they suing Microsoft for the Slate? .
For all we know, Microsoft licensed the design. Thus no law suits.

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. I mean a lawsuit for the stylus?
We haven't seen the full claims. For all we know Bloomberg mentioning the stylus is a total Macguffin.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:26 PM   #158
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Here we go again. So what round it this ....10, 11, 12?
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:27 PM   #159
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I can't make my anagram of SCO out of Apple
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:29 PM   #160
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Unlike you, I am old enough to remember the "Newton".
There are a lot of experienced people on this forum old enough to not only remember the Newton, but to have worked on similar items.

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I remember at the time the tech to translate handwriting into digital text was a big deal. Apple was the only company at the time who could do this.
Hardly. Look up GO Corporation and the PenPoint OS sometime. It used IBM's handwriting recognition (HWR) system. HWR was big in the 80s and early 90s.

For the younger set here with no memory of the Newton, its poor handwriting recognition (especially in the first version) was mocked for weeks by the popular Doonesbury comic, helping to publicly doom it with strips like this one:

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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:30 PM   #161
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That's not my point. View the video above. Apple has no plans whatsoever to implement the use of a stylus in their current or future products. It is a technology that they bash themselves and effectively have abandoned.
Wow, what hyperbolic BS. Apple never bashed the use of a stylus as an option, just a requirement. And they implemented use from the first iPhone. Maybe it's not as fancy and cool as you want but it is there.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:32 PM   #162
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When was the stylus invented?
400BC, give or take.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:32 PM   #163
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Wow, what hyperbolic BS. Apple never bashed the use of a stylus as an option, just a requirement. And they implemented use from the first iPhone. Maybe it's not as fancy and cool as you want but it is there.
I still can't make my anagram of SCO out of the letters Apple
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:34 PM   #164
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This really needs to stop. It was favorable when it made sense. Now Apple is looking like a bully.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:34 PM   #165
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I wish Apple would pay a less attention to these lawsuits and more attention to component supply and resolving manufacturing issues. Maybe then they could release a product on time. Just saying.
Damn straight. Really stupid of them that their engineers and their lawyers are the same people

Oh wait. . .
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:35 PM   #166
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This really needs to stop. It was favorable when it made sense. Now Apple is looking like a bully.
Appleis looking like SCO.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:38 PM   #167
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You miss my point. Apple is trying to address competition through the courts instead of through product development. If they thought they could compete with products they would. Suing Samsung repeatedly, especially with these weak cases, signals to everyone that they are deeply concerned and not coping all that well with the competitive pressure.
So what does lawsuits over exhausted FRAND applicable SEPs say about Samsung
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:45 PM   #168
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So what does lawsuits over exhausted FRAND applicable SEPs say about Samsung
Everyone is getting stupid over patents?

I'm not one sided about any of this. I think they're all idiots.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:48 PM   #169
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Apple is seriously becoming the next Microsoft. Such a shame.

Perhaps they need to focus again on innovation rather than lawsuits. They haven't released a new product since the iPad. Only refreshing the current products and suing the competition is not what made them who they are.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:51 PM   #170
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Ok, I do get that, but then the question is why aren't they suing Microsoft for the Slate? My wife saw a comercial for it and until they said it was a Microsoft product she thought it was the oddest commercial Apple had ever produced because she thought it was for the new iPad. And she is not a dummy when it comes to these things, if it can fool her, it could fool anyone.
I would have to question you wife's knowledge here because the two are totally different.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:54 PM   #171
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This is getting ridiculous. It's becoming harder and harder to support a company like Apple.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:57 PM   #172
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(to re-cap...) It's like saying 'stop spending money on securing your house, that's boring, just buy more stuff to put in your house. If you buy enough nice stuff for your house, it doesn't matter if you keep getting robbed!'. That's not a good plan.

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I'm sorry the above analogy doesn't make any sense. It's more like sueing a neighbour with a similar home... Which is pointless. If you're secure and confident with what/how you've equipped/styled your home, you shouldn't be upset about been copied. rather you should be flattered knowing nothing is quite like the original...
The analogy does make sense, but I guess I wasn't clear enough on it. Apple claim they have ideas/innovations (patents) which Samsung (or whoever) did not have until they stole them from Apple. It isn't a case of just 'copying', because the patent can only belong to one of them. The idea can be copied, but the patent can't.

So when Apple spend a lot of money and time innovating, then successfully patent the fruits of that work, they have every right to protect that uncopy-able thing, because it protects their ability to profit from their investment. If they don't defend the patents they have ('secure their house' in my analogy) then anyone can walk in, and take the patent (the uncopy-able thing that means only they can profit from the investment) and also profit, but having not made the investment (or not managed to patent a similar idea in time).

Now, Samsung, or whoever, can challenge the validity of a patent, or challenge the charge of infringing it, that is fine. What isn't fine is company B using company A's investment in time and money for free and then expecting to remain unchallenged on it and company A just saying 'ah well, we'll make even more investments to try and make up the lost business and hope company B doesn't use our ideas for free again!'.

And sure the whole system is broken, and it virtually guarantees a string of ostensibly stupid lawsuits when you look at them individually, but Apple didn't write the rules, they just have to work with them the best they can.

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Old Nov 6, 2012, 09:57 PM   #173
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Apple is seriously becoming the next Microsoft. Such a shame.
They're not at all like Microsoft. For them, patents were more like an extortion racket...
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 10:06 PM   #174
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Enough already Apple. Enough...
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 10:08 PM   #175
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Samsung and apple are babies..
Apple sues Samsung, Samsung has to go to court. Thus Samsung is acting like a baby.
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