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Old Nov 7, 2012, 07:39 AM   #301
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You are still making the entire patent system to be a complete mockery, and I would still proclaim they DO check for existing patents, if business is carried out in the way you proclaim then it would be a very cavalier way to do business.
The entire patent system is a mockery. Glad of you to join us.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 07:41 AM   #302
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The entire patent system is a mockery. Glad of you to join us.
No need to be on a high horse mate

I will still believe they are required to check for patents, maybe I'll look into it and come back.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 07:44 AM   #303
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This is getting old.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 07:45 AM   #304
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 07:46 AM   #305
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But then you are proclaiming that the patent system is basically open to interpretation, which again makes a mockery out of it, it's a waste of time, no point in it as what you make someone can sue you for because of the way a patent is worded.
It's not open to interpretation so much as its impossible to find out if you're infringing on one out of millions of patents without a team of 20,000 dedicating 10 years worth of man hours to check the patent office against every single line of code you write.

And yes, you can sue someone over the way a patent is worded. Companies don't go to court only to argue prior art.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 07:46 AM   #306
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"This just in: Apple sues fruit growers for stealing company name."
The scary part about this, would anyone really be surprised?
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 07:48 AM   #307
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"This just in: Apple sues fruit growers for stealing company name."
The scary part about this, would anyone really be surprised?
It happened in Australia with Supermarkets.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/ap...1005-ghzr.html

Don't be so surprised... The likelihood of a Woolworths computer is two things:

1. Jack.

and

2. Squat.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 07:54 AM   #308
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Threads need a "VOTE" ability where if they get enough votes it would stay open or get taken off.

Like others have said, these types of threads bring out pointless opinions and hate towards the companies involved.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 07:57 AM   #309
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It happened in Australia with Supermarkets.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/ap...1005-ghzr.html

Don't be so surprised... The likelihood of a Woolworths computer is two things:

1. Jack.

and

2. Squat.
What this shows is that ANY business that uses an Apple in ANY way as a logo will be instantly sued by Apple. So Apple is basically laying claims to trademarking the Apple itself. Pretty sad and pathetic isn't it?
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:00 AM   #310
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It happened in Australia with Supermarkets.
This is so strange. APPLE turned into the "Big Brother" it used to make adds against.

Who would think, that these two logos have anything in common?
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:00 AM   #311
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What this shows is that ANY business that uses an Apple in ANY way as a logo will be instantly sued by Apple. So Apple is basically laying claims to trademarking the Apple itself. Pretty sad and pathetic isn't it?
Apple went after a non-profit in NYC. Nuff said.

ETA: Clarification...

New York City 'GreeNYC' logo

In January 2008, Apple filed an opposition with the U.S. Trademark Trial and Appeal Board against New York City's (NYC) trademark application for the "Big Apple" logo for NYC's GreeNYC initiative. NYC originally filed for its trademark: "a stylized apple design" for "[e]ducation services, namely, providing public service announcements on policies and practices of the City of New York in the field of environmentally sustainable growth" in May 2007, with an amendment filed in June 2007. The TTAB's Notice of Publication was published in September 2007 and Apple filed an opposition with the TTAB the following January, claiming a likelihood of confusion. In June 2008, NYC filed a motion to amend its application to delete the leaf element from its design, leaving the stem, and the TTAB dismissed Apple's opposition and counterclaims in accordance with the parties' stipulation in July 2008. In November 2011, the TTAB issued NYC's trademark registration.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:05 AM   #312
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What this shows is that ANY business that uses an Apple in ANY way as a logo will be instantly sued by Apple. So Apple is basically laying claims to trademarking the Apple itself. Pretty sad and pathetic isn't it?
They also sued a Polish supermarket because their url is a.pl.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:06 AM   #313
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Who would think, that these two logos have anything in common?
An imbecile...

and to add a few corrections to the article, Woolworths sells mobile phone credit for its mobile carrier that is a network share of an existing service, and credit cards for existing banks with their branding on them, as well as store credit cards. About the only market segment they are in direct competition is store credit with the iTunes card. What's interesting is that Woolworths sells iTunes cards in its Supermarkets and secondly the things you can buy with your Woolworths card are completely different. Lets see you buy a bag of groceries with your iTunes card.

Woolworths will sell an actual physical product with their brand on i.e. a mobile phone, computer, tablet or laptop the day hell freezes over. They're a supermarket akin to a smaller version of Costco, or the European Aldi, or Tesco supermarkets. Yes I know you all know what a supermarket is.

The point is Apple has stopped innovating and started nothing more than a long line of litigating. I used to be an ardent Apple supporter, but this is just getting pathetic.

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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:12 AM   #314
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Threads need a "VOTE" ability where if they get enough votes it would stay open or get taken off.

Like others have said, these types of threads bring out pointless opinions and hate towards the companies involved.
A bit like Slashdot Firehose.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:14 AM   #315
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Yeah, that is a better analogy. But here's the thing..<snip> you'll have built up a reputation as the best park with the best rides. Even when the competition eventually copies you, you still have that to fall back on. <snip> That's competition. And even if you had exclusive rights to the loop-de-loop, people would get bored of it eventually, and you'd have to create more rides to stay competitive anyway. You're not the only guy capable of coming up with good ideas..
I agree (except it's debatable if people copying your loop-the-loop is competition, or if competition should be people developing things better than the loop-the-loop) in that yes - Apple (re)invented things in a very cool way (MP3 player, mobile phone, tablet) that simply blew away people's ideas of how these gadgets should operate, and it'd be nice if they could repeat the process, which might lessen the impact of others (inevitably) copying your ideas.

It'll be interesting to see if:
  • They can do this without Steve J
  • There are any devices (TV?) that they could do this to
  • If not, can the phone & tablet withstand another reinvention?
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:17 AM   #316
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I really hope samsung loose , i extremely dislike all of their products.
LOL Why? You should take a look at what Samsung has provided the Apple world there tiger.

And really, has anyone ever mistaken a Samsung device for an Apple device? Ever?
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:20 AM   #317
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LOL Why? You should take a look at what Samsung has provided the Apple world there tiger.

And really, has anyone ever mistaken a Samsung device for an Apple device? Ever?
It really wouldn't be that hard to mistake a Galaxy phone, a Galaxy Tab, or a Galaxy SII for an Apple product. The length Samsung went to, to make these phones look like iPhones is more than a little obvious even if you do take Samsung's side. Not just the external casing, or the home button, but hacking up Android to look like iOS, the icons, etc... The detail they went to that you can't just ignore even if you're a rusted on Samsung fan.




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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:26 AM   #318
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If you have ten FINGERS then you are a freak of nature.... Let me re-iterate, FINGERS!! What exactly do you call the digit that is opposed again...
The thumb is also a finger... So humans have 10 fingers...
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:33 AM   #319
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That's why I bought Taiwanese product instead, HTC Sense may work in the way Apple do but at least it just doesn't look like iOS.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:35 AM   #320
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I truly hope samsung turns around or some how fks Apple right in the core.

this is all BS, waist of time the legal system
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:36 AM   #321
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They also sued a Polish supermarket because their url is a.pl.
didn't they sue a chinese food restaurant for using a logo more similar to LG's but it happened to have an apple leaf?
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:36 AM   #322
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I am always surprised by Apple that not suing the other Android phone makers , esp. those in Taiwan and Japan, but just suing Samsung. What does Apple want to take from Samsung?
They wanted to stop the Galaxy range, just like they are taking aim at HTC over a few things, it's not just Samsung. It was originally about phone and interface design, the obvious things these companies DID make a cheap Korean copy of, but now it's just getting out of hand.
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The thumb is also a finger... So humans have 10 fingers...
To some it is always very confusing, just like left and right, because right is where the thumb is on the left and left is where the thumb is on the right.

On the other hand................if you are holding it wrong........
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:45 AM   #324
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Apple went after a non-profit in NYC. Nuff said.

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New York City 'GreeNYC' logo

In January 2008, Apple filed an opposition with the U.S. Trademark Trial and Appeal Board against New York City's (NYC) trademark application for the "Big Apple" logo for NYC's GreeNYC initiative. NYC originally filed for its trademark: "a stylized apple design" for "[e]ducation services, namely, providing public service announcements on policies and practices of the City of New York in the field of environmentally sustainable growth" in May 2007, with an amendment filed in June 2007. The TTAB's Notice of Publication was published in September 2007 and Apple filed an opposition with the TTAB the following January, claiming a likelihood of confusion. In June 2008, NYC filed a motion to amend its application to delete the leaf element from its design, leaving the stem, and the TTAB dismissed Apple's opposition and counterclaims in accordance with the parties' stipulation in July 2008. In November 2011, the TTAB issued NYC's trademark registration.
I completely forgot about this, I remember the logo's and banners being taken down in some area's over this ludicrous suit.

Apple has been granted too many patents, many of which are ludicrous to state the least.

"Think Different" should be changed to "Sue Different".
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:48 AM   #325
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So Apple hates Stylus but they are going after products that could use them. Ok.
These lawsuits need to end.
Apple innovations with the stylus revolutionized the Newton and Palm Pilot back in the day. Trends change. If people get tired of using their finger while Android devices makes inroads with the stylus, Apple will appear to be coping them. It appears Apple wants to assert its position to keep its options open. It is most important that Apple prevails. If they lose, this will be Windows 95 all over again. Don't poke a bear if you aren't prepared to do battle.

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actually, yes it is. it's just part of good business today.
wow. you just aren't getting it, are you? Under U.S. patent law, if you don't "actively" defend your patent, you lose it. Apple MUST file lawsuits against infringing products in order to hold on to their patents. It is their fiduciary responsibility to stockholders to vigorously defend their IP. To NOT file these lawsuits would be negligent.
Most companies cannot afford to defend their numerous patents. Apple and Samsung apparently have the deep pockets and motivation to do so.

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Sigh...
Quite frankly I am getting tired of Apple and their incessant lawsuit nonsense.
What scoobydoo99 said.

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Dear Apple, please just stop.
What scoobydoo99 said.

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Hey Apple: Suing is not a business plan.

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Certainly it is. It's part of the Thermo Nuclear business plan. Unfortunately, whether the claims are valid or not, all the attention appears to be helping Samsung. (iPad's Share of Tablet Shipments Falls to 50% in 3Q 2012)

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Might you be thinking of trademark law?
In the US, patents and trademarks are handled by one office, PTO. The notion of defending patents and trademarks is the same. If left undefended, they can be contested.

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Stylus claims? Really, Apple? They just jumped the shark.
They're "gonna need a bigger boat." Though Apple can certainly establish that it was first to market with some amazing stylus innovations via Newton, the jury is still out on whether they'll be able to prove that similar uses today by Android devices are infringing on iPad and iPhone devices.
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