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Old Nov 7, 2012, 04:25 PM   #76
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Impossible! Have you seen the polling results? Republicans lost 90% of the African American vote, 70% of the Latino vote, 60% of woman 40% of the Jewish Vote and 70% of Asians. In 4 more years the electorate will be even more diverse. Instead of reaching out to minorities in 2012 Republicans tried voter suppression and limiting the voting electorate. The Republican message was rejected in 2008 and again in 2012. You think coming back in 4 years offering the same policies is a winning strategy?

The Republicans kept the house due to redistricting. They redrew the districts to be more conservative to make their seats safe. Even with redistricting Michelle Bachmann barely kept her seat.

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And if they don't get their act together, there's a good chance they'll lose the house in 2 years too.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 04:27 PM   #77
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The elections are over. It's time to stop with the demonizing and going back to work. Your party has the House. Use it productively or you will lose that, too. Just my 2 cents.
They haven't been working with the democrats at all for 4 years and gained seats in the house and now continue to have a majority. Not sure what that says besides "keep doing the same thing". Democrats are acting as if the election was some pivotal change, in reality you are just back to where you were before the elections.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 04:32 PM   #78
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The Republicans kept the house due to redistricting. They redrew the districts to be more conservative to make their seats safe. Even with redistricting Michelle Bachmann barely kept her seat.
Yeah, my friend lives in NC told me that they split her area up to ensure a republican would win.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 04:33 PM   #79
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They haven't been working with the democrats at all for 4 years and gained seats in the house and now continue to have a majority. Not sure what that says besides "keep doing the same thing".
Keep thinking that and we will win the house in 2014 and Presidency again in 2016.

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Old Nov 7, 2012, 04:34 PM   #80
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Same platform? Because it worked so well this time? And last time? If they keep trotting out the same old ideas which alienate and marginalize people they will never win the White House again.
This election was vital because Romney could have erased all of the progress Obama achieved. It would have been easy to take one step back from Obama's step forward.

This second term should set the bar at a new level, so policies put forward in this election couldn't possibly fly four years from now, such as repealing Obamacare, turning back on gay rights and women's rights, ignoring climate change and alternative energies, etc.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 04:41 PM   #81
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Keep thinking that and we will win the house in 2014 and Presidency in 2016.
Republican Seats Won by Year

2002 221 seats
2004 232 seats
2006 202 seats
2008 178 seats
2010 242 seats
2012 240 seats

The only trend I see here is a dip from the bush years.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 04:43 PM   #82
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This election was vital because Romney could have erased all of the progress Obama achieved. It would have been easy to take one step back from Obama's step forward.

This second term should set the bar at a new level, so policies put forward in this election couldn't possibly fly four years from now, such as repealing Obamacare, turning back on gay rights and women's rights, ignoring climate change and alternative energies, etc.
Theres no way a repeal would have went through without democrats on board. You basically have a boat with one paddle either way the election went.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 04:46 PM   #84
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Are you drunk? This was an exceptionally tight race. Obama won reelection due to one or two key battleground states, where the voting was 49% vs. 50%. Even the overall popular vote was only 1% or so from a tie. What landslide are you referring to? Go put some more air in your inflatable Obama love doll, it's getting low from last night.
Really mature. You're obviously an asset to your party. I think the landslide he's referring to is the 303 electoral votes (sure to go up once Florida is done) and the fact that Obama won every battleground state up for grabs.

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To answer the broader question, no America has not been turning left, but the voter turnout has been, at least over the past 15 years or so. This election should be a case study in how pop-culture and the media is used to sway public opinion, particularly in the under-25 demographic. This age group is so inexperienced, uneducated, and easily coerced, and prior to the 90's, didn't have much of an interest in politics. Anyone who works in Marketing can learn a lot from this election.
No, the election should be a case study in how alienating large swaths of the country leads to failure in elections. The middle aged white guy vote used to be enough, it's not anymore, and it never will be again. Adapt or languish in defeat.

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Another trend one can gather from this new twitter facebook pop-culture atheist homosexual welfare entitlement voting generation, is the decline of America as a whole on the world stage. It is only as this new group of selfish me-me-me voters is getting involved in politics, that we now have to ask the question "Is America really the greatest country on earth still?". Coincidence? I think not.
Only you can conclude from a popular vote that something selfish happened. I'm continuously surprised by how openly racist, homophobic, and myopic your posts are. I'm sure your argument would have been similar had Romney won, right? And I'm also sure you didn't vote for your own interests, right? (There's no way on earth you got accepted to Yale, unless your entire lineage is filled with Yalies, and/or you happen to play a rare orchestra instrument.)
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 04:50 PM   #85
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Interesting read on how this was a mandate :

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/109818...ion-obamacare#
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 05:05 PM   #86
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To answer the broader question, no America has not been turning left, but the voter turnout has been, at least over the past 15 years or so. This election should be a case study in how pop-culture and the media is used to sway public opinion, particularly in the under-25 demographic. This age group is so inexperienced, uneducated, and easily coerced, and prior to the 90's, didn't have much of an interest in politics.
Maybe they picked it up from the older generation, who in 1960 would've tweeted "OMG Nixon looks slightly sweaty, yuck, let's vote for the handsome guy! #ThingsThatMatter"

Those of us who follow US politics from the other side of the pond are often amazed by how superficial and phony American politics are. Silly nonsense with parading the candidate's spouse and children around (who cares?!) and discussing "family values", making trivial observations about "looking presidential"... and of course the candidate absolutely must be straight and married. Electing the most powerful politician in the world and dealing with it like it was a pageant.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 05:25 PM   #87
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Yes and no. I see America becoming more progressive socially-speaking, so in that case I guess you could call it to the left. I also see America becoming progressively more conservative as far as politics and government goes, especially given the national debt and a historical distrust in government. And it seems each year that a few more people realize that Ron Paul isn't crazy by any means, and perhaps we should consider some of his ideas. I'm not sure if the republican party will discontinue the whole 'moral majority' thing, but they will have to if they want younger voters given younger persons are almost always more progressive than previous generations.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 05:33 PM   #88
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I think most countries move to the left. It's progression - more care for the people who need it, less social restrictions and more manoeuvrability. Look at how backwards most first world nations were 60 years ago. I can't wait to see how it looks in 60 more.
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Fox News is now blaming the "liberal" media for covering up "Obama's failures" and "Benghazi" as the reason Mitt lost.

And one guy actually tried to say that people picked the party of "free stuff" over the party of "freedom".

This is comedy gold yet scary at the same time.

They actually think a party that wanted to restrict civil rights is the party of "freedom".
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Why the GOP is becoming irrelevant.

Having policies and message that appeal only to old, white and male is not a winning collation.


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Fox News is now blaming the "liberal" media for covering up "Obama's failures" and "Benghazi" as the reason Mitt lost.

And one guy actually tried to say that people picked the party of "free stuff" over the party of "freedom".

This is comedy gold yet scary at the same time.

They actually think a party that wanted to restrict civil rights is the party of "freedom".
Their freedom to persecute.
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Their freedom to persecute.
Luckily, America had the freedom to vote yesterday and America's vote was for people with this type of mentality to kindly **** off.

The real work starts now.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 06:09 PM   #93
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Republican Seats Won by Year

2002 221 seats
2004 232 seats
2006 202 seats
2008 178 seats
2010 242 seats
2012 240 seats

The only trend I see here is a dip from the bush years.
The last I saw is that it was 194 to 234 with 7 races still "too close to call." However, 6 of those seven races had the Democrat leading with 99-100% reporting. That would put the 2012 split at 200 vs. 235. If the House does lose 7 seats, with the changing demographics of this country and the possibility that Obama's next 4 years are successful, Republicans should start embracing the idea that their House majority is going to keep decreasing until the Democrats win a majority in 2016.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 06:14 PM   #94
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I think most countries move to the left.
No, all countries are moving to the center. Globalization -> normalization. Europe has been moving to the right for decades, with privatization of nationalized industries and companies, health care, schools etc. Ideologically it's moved away from socialism toward liberalism. Meanwhile the US is implementing universal health care, 100 years overdue, but still.
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Obama won by a landslide, 3 states legalized gay marriage by voting for the first time in American history, and in another historic win 2 states legalized marijuana. Does this signal a major shift to the left in US politics. Clearly, the American people have rejected the GOP and their radical agenda. Democratic wins can no longer be attributed to the hatred of Bush. Many people said that ANY democrat would have won in 2008, but what's their excuse this time around? One news network said that the majority of Millennials has now voted democrat twice and likely will never vote GOP in their lifetime, meanwhile the baby boomers will slowly be losing influence over the years. I hope this change is permanent and i have a strong feeling that it is...
James Carville, no political dummy, made the same case in one of his most recent books. The demographics are obviously one reason. As Lindsey Graham put it back in August, “The demographics race we’re losing badly. We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.” And that is not going to change anytime soon.

But I have always believed that America is more liberal than it thinks it is. The Republicans have been twisting the theme of "rugged individualism" (admirable in and of itself) into an excuse to refuse to work and sacrifice together as a community. That little bit of propaganda, upon which the right has depended ever since Reagan, is showing severe signs of corrosion.

Paul Krugman apparently has similar feelings:

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So, for a while there during the campaign it seemed very iffy. But in the end, discipline and being on the right side of the issues prevailed. Yes, Elizabeth Warren won!

Oh, and that guy Obama too.

Tomorrow — or I guess today — comes the cleanup; when thousands, perhaps millions, of right-wing heads explode, it makes quite a mess. Also, notice that the polls were right. I wonder if I can get invited when Nate Silver is sworn in as president?

OK, somewhat more seriously: one big thing that just happened was that the real America trumped the “real America”. And it’s also the election that lets us ask, finally, “Who cares what’s the matter with Kansas?”

For a long time, right-wingers — and some pundits — have peddled the notion that the “real America”, all that really counted, was the land of non-urban white people, to which both parties must abase themselves. Meanwhile, the actual electorate was getting racially and ethnically diverse, and increasingly tolerant too. The 2008 Obama coalition wasn’t a fluke; it was the country we are becoming.

And sure enough that more diverse and, if you ask me, better nation just won big.

Notice too that to the extent that social issues played in this election, they played in favor of Democrats. Gods, guns, and gays didn’t swing voters into supporting corporate interests; instead, human dignity for women swung votes the other way.

A huge night for truth, justice, and the real American way.
So yes, America's moving to the left. And that is nothing new. Sometimes conservatism just manages to bog it down.
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No, all countries are moving to the center. Globalization -> normalization. Europe has been moving to the right for decades, with privatization of nationalized industries and companies, health care, schools etc. Ideologically it's moved away from socialism toward liberalism. Meanwhile the US is implementing universal health care, 100 years overdue, but still.
Indeed. These pendulums swing back and fourth in all democracies or semi-democracies. Plenty of evidence of it from the 18th century forward.
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No, all countries are moving to the center. Globalization -> normalization. Europe has been moving to the right for decades, with privatization of nationalized industries and companies, health care, schools etc. Ideologically it's moved away from socialism toward liberalism. Meanwhile the US is implementing universal health care, 100 years overdue, but still.
Yeah, that's bang on. I guess I'm just looking at things from a social perspective, going off what wasn't acceptable that now is.
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Is America moving to the left, or is the political right simply standing still or moving right? Even conservatives have to change with the times, or they simply become reactionaries.

Rather than characterize it as one linear movement, I'd use the expanding universe model to describe American politics - it's pulling apart.
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Yeah, that's bang on. I guess I'm just looking at things from a social perspective, going off what wasn't acceptable that now is.
Oh, social issues, sure... pretty much the whole world has been moving 'left' in that regard, with the exception of places like the Middle East (still no go for bikinis in Saudi Arabia, so to speak). I put left in quotes since liberals are considered right-wing in many countries.

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Is America moving to the left, or is the political right simply standing still or moving right? Even conservatives have to change with the times, or they simply become reactionaries.
They've certainly changed a lot... the party that emancipated the slaves is now the party that kinda-sorta wishes they hadn't. They're "republicans" but they look and dress like only upper class über-conservative monarchists do. They were once a revolutionary movement and now they're the guys who want to preserve everything the way it is forever, or even better, turn back the clock 60 years or so.

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