That settles it for me. I won't be buying a Mini.
It's either an iMac, a windows based HTPC, a Mini PC or a laptop now for me.
I don't know what to do.
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Should we return MacMini2012?
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That settles it for me. I won't be buying a Mini.
It's either an iMac, a windows based HTPC, a Mini PC or a laptop now for me.
I don't know what to do.
Note, the Air and the Pro just got a graphics related update:
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1609
It could mean that a similar update is on the way for the Mini.
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1609
It could mean that a similar update is on the way for the Mini.
Lol
After browsing through some of your posts it seems you've been quite negative on the mini from the get go. Posting in the majority of the mac mini problem threads.
Don't need to down other people who are interested in the mini, bro.
I'm not having this problem of flickering.
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Intel HD Graphics 4000:
Chipset Model: Intel HD Graphics 4000
Type: GPU
Bus: Built-In
VRAM (Total): 768 MB
Vendor: Intel (0x8086)
Device ID: 0x0166
Revision ID: 0x0009
I had no problems with HDMI->DVI and MDP->DVI. Now I have swapped out MDP->DVI with a Thunderbolt display, and have no problems either.
More problems for the Mac Mini 2012:
3rd issue (OSX makes harddisks dead by default)
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=16252659#post16252659
http://joernhees.de/blog/2011/09/16/mac-os-x-harddisk-high-load-cycle-counts/
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4rd issue (Mac Mini cpu gets 103c (217f) and become simpy unstable!)
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=16252549&posted=1#post16252549
If Apple just make the Mac Mini 0.5 Inch larger it was all oke. But no, they had to make it thin.
Even the HDD problem shows how incompetent they are at Apple.
HDMI stinks
Disk stinks
CPU stinks
And you think their all incompetent.
So other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play?
What would you be mad about? You stated that "OSX makes harddisks dead by default" with links that show no such thing. You also stated, "Mac Mini cpu gets 103c (217f) and become simpy [sic] unstable!" with a link that again show no such thing.
While there may or may not be something deeper here, certainly nothing to be angry about and make conclusions about as no flaws have been concluded.
I am "mad", and disappointed. Steve, for example, could get mad too if something wasn't right. Wel these flaws are not right. I need a Mac!
After he fixed the problem:
Roughly said, on a standard/non-fixed Mac Mini, 1.5 year later, the limit of 600,000 load cycle has already been exceeded and is more likely to fail. Especially after 3 years...
Apple is doing something what shouldn't be done. Link about it below:
http://joernhees.de/blog/2011/09/16/mac-os-x-harddisk-high-load-cycle-counts/
I think you are blind. The CPU where i was referring to showed errors in CPUTest when the CPU was on high temperatures. And you are right, not at 103C but at 99c-99c. Proof below.
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I'm feeling very much left out since I'm not having any problems, with the HDMI or otherwise. Should I hook up an oscilloscope or some other test equipment to try to get with the program? What does white clipping look like, to the eye?
A week or so I ago I got some snow and black screens for a few seconds as I was switching my HDMI input to the monitor back and forth between the mini and some other devices. Should I be getting all upset about HDMI handshaking glitches every once in awhile?
I am a little pissed about external DVD drives not working right with remote management, but I now understand the issue of DRM with HDMI and I'm going to work around it.
DAMN these intolerable problems!!!!!!!
I'm RETURNING this POS, yelling and screaming all the way.
Well, I tried but I just can't work up a head of steam. Sorry.
A week or so I ago I got some snow and black screens for a few seconds as I was switching my HDMI input to the monitor back and forth between the mini and some other devices. Should I be getting all upset about HDMI handshaking glitches every once in awhile?
I am a little pissed about external DVD drives not working right with remote management, but I now understand the issue of DRM with HDMI and I'm going to work around it.
DAMN these intolerable problems!!!!!!!
I'm RETURNING this POS, yelling and screaming all the way.
Well, I tried but I just can't work up a head of steam. Sorry.
Mine is running fine. 2.3 i7 with an ssd and hard disk (fitted with owc kit) and upgraded with 10gb ram. No problems with displays (although other than testing, it is run mainly headless). I did need to trick it into thinking it has a display attached though! I do see the high reported temps but the unit remains cool to the touch and I have had no stability issues under load tests (CPU test)
Got a 2.6/4/1 Mini today, BTO Nov-week-1, trying to reproduce HD4000 issues. So far:
- HDMI->HDMI ok with Samsung 40" LCD TV, played 2 hours of A-team, color and detail appear normal, no flicker.
- miniDP->HDMI ok to same Samsung TV, no problem as above (use this setup with a 2010 MBA).
- HDMI->DVI with Dell 21.5" monitor (U2211H) at 1920x1080, no issues for first 30 minutes. As I typed this message, got a 2-second blank, dark screen, then back to normal. This happened as I was concurrently running memtest.
Going to test DVI with my other Dell monitor later this evening. (Dell 2412M)
Hard drive is not making noise reported in other threads.
Will add 16GB RAM upgrade and keep testing this weekend.
- HDMI->HDMI ok with Samsung 40" LCD TV, played 2 hours of A-team, color and detail appear normal, no flicker.
- miniDP->HDMI ok to same Samsung TV, no problem as above (use this setup with a 2010 MBA).
- HDMI->DVI with Dell 21.5" monitor (U2211H) at 1920x1080, no issues for first 30 minutes. As I typed this message, got a 2-second blank, dark screen, then back to normal. This happened as I was concurrently running memtest.
Going to test DVI with my other Dell monitor later this evening. (Dell 2412M)
Hard drive is not making noise reported in other threads.
Will add 16GB RAM upgrade and keep testing this weekend.
I've posted on the Apple forums and I will be returning the Mini for a refund. I've looked into it further and my conclusion is it could be a hardware related issue which Intel is unable to fix. They are using delay tactics until the next Processor upgrade.
They have released three fixes so far, MRC 1.4.0.0, MRC 1.5.0.0, and MRC 1.6.0.0, all of which they claim to fix the issue, but users using Windows and Linux based PCs are still reporting problems with HDMI connection after applying an updated BIOS from their motherboard manufacturer.
But if it turns out to be hardware related, no amount of firmware/bios/driver patches will fix the underline hardware problem.
It's a shame though, I really like the Mini when its working properly, it's perfect for my needs.
On a side note, did anyone else notice how little they showed the new Mac Mini at the launch event, compared to the imac and ipad. Could apple have known about the issue before release and were nervous?
They have released three fixes so far, MRC 1.4.0.0, MRC 1.5.0.0, and MRC 1.6.0.0, all of which they claim to fix the issue, but users using Windows and Linux based PCs are still reporting problems with HDMI connection after applying an updated BIOS from their motherboard manufacturer.
But if it turns out to be hardware related, no amount of firmware/bios/driver patches will fix the underline hardware problem.
It's a shame though, I really like the Mini when its working properly, it's perfect for my needs.
On a side note, did anyone else notice how little they showed the new Mac Mini at the launch event, compared to the imac and ipad. Could apple have known about the issue before release and were nervous?
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No, its because the Mini was a minor spec bump, whereas the iMac was a reasonably big redesign and the iPad Mini was a big deal. Also, both those products are bigger sellers than the Mac Mini by quite some distance.
This is awful from Apple.
I said it before, but God knows what problems the iMacs could have.
Time to start looking at PC's I think
I have no issues at all with my 2012 Mac mini. I upgraded the hard drive to a SSD and added 16GB of ram. The thing has been on since the day I got it and has been perfect.
Unfortunately, unlike mba or mbp, most people rely on external display on mini (other may use remote desktop).
This revision removes discrete graphics and make proportion of using intel HD + HDMI becoming higher.
It may be same issue on mba/mbp using intel graphics+hdmi (via mini-displayport). (see https://discussions.apple.com/message/20247181#20247181 ) Perhaps Apple has investigated on that too and didn't think it would occur on mac mini when they released mini few months later.
On the other hand, there are reports in this forum that no issue on using HDMI on the Mac mini-late2012, i.e. they could see all gray levels on page: http://www.photofriday.com/calibrate.php . That may imply replacing the unit may be helpful.
This revision removes discrete graphics and make proportion of using intel HD + HDMI becoming higher.
It may be same issue on mba/mbp using intel graphics+hdmi (via mini-displayport). (see https://discussions.apple.com/message/20247181#20247181 ) Perhaps Apple has investigated on that too and didn't think it would occur on mac mini when they released mini few months later.
On the other hand, there are reports in this forum that no issue on using HDMI on the Mac mini-late2012, i.e. they could see all gray levels on page: http://www.photofriday.com/calibrate.php . That may imply replacing the unit may be helpful.
my quad core is going to be rma'd.
1} black screens
2} usb3 beach balls often
3} failed cpu test with oem ram and aftermarket ram
4} failed prime95 test with both 4gb and 8gb ram
5} lacie t-bolt stutters in raid0 and raid1 but not jbod
You used the text-based prime95 Max osx version?
You said in another thread that it had a possible fail in prime95 test.
Why possible? A error is a error.
Which program you were using to test your ram with and how much passes and how much time did it take?
you are correct it is an error I listed as possible because i could not burn the cd for memtest86 +. I was only able to run a 1 hour apple test and a 15 pass rember test. So i knew i could not be certain if the cpu or ram was bad. Since then I put in 3 sets of 1600 ram 2 oem sets of 2x 2gb sticks of ram and the after market set of 2x 4gb sticks of ram.
all failed the aftermarket ram failed on 3 of 8 cores in under 15 minutes with cooling in place ie under 180f . the two different sets of oem mac mini ram failed on 4 of 8 cores in under 10 minutes at temps under 180f.
my 2010 mac mini passes this test with flying colors
my 2011 mac mini passes it
as does my 2 core 2012 mac mini
my 2 core 2012 mac mini passes with all 3 sets of 1600 ram.
so the sticks are good.
my 2012 quad core has an issue
maybe the mobo
maybe the ram slots
maybe the cpu/gpu
at this point it goes to the local apple store to be looked at.
I do not want it back so we will see what they tell me.
Well at least I only did one upgrade ram and it is back to stock.
glad i did the testing before I put in a ssd.
this is one reason I no longer like to put in ssds right away.
in defense of mac minis this is my third or fourth out of the box bad mini since 2006.
over 450 upgraded and 4 bad right away is very good stat.
I hope these quads are not lemons due to heating issues. I hope I just got a bad one. here are my 2010 core 2 duo marks after 7 hours in a 77 f room. all good and it runs cool since it is a low watt c 2 d processor. the 2.4 c2d cpu uses 15 watts while the 2.3 i7 quad uses 35 to 37 watts.
this is a lot more heat to dump. personally my gut tells me if you own a quad it is going to want a lot of space to keep cool and consider 3 year apple care as a must.
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I got a "black screen" a few times... it's like the computer goes into sleep mode.
But I don't see any color issue going back and forth from a MDP>HDMI VS HDMI built in...
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Yeah... I'm still on day 4 with this Mac Mini... but I haven't really had much of an issue.
I don't see errors in your printscreen on prime95. (I don't know if the osx version is the same as windows, but below here i quote some website)
The source for the quotes above: http://www.masterslair.com/ram-cpu-stress-testing-software-tools-prime95-intel-burn-test/
You can also put Memtest86+ on a usb-stick.
You can also boot from ubuntu an use the option: Memtest86+
The Ubuntu image can also run from a usb-stick. Link below:
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx
If you can find the memtest86+ option during live boot. Read the link below:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1542941
But the question is if it is useful to still test memory. Since you also tested other memory. But if you are unsure you could always test it again. (I would then choose to test the 2x2gb because it don't take long testing in comparison to 2x4gb.
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+1... I think Apple had to know about this issue at the launch event because it was on the Intel forum 5 months ago, and before that Intel probably saw it in internal testing. Not much doubt Apple shipped the Mini knowing the bug is random and unusual, hoping the user base would not be affected too much. If it's a hardware issue, it will never be fixed, because Intel will not spin new silicon for Ivy this late in the cycle when Haswell is due in a few months. It's looking more like that's the case since several MRC code releases have not fixed the issue.
My Mini is going back Monday for full refund. I'm 1 for 3 with Macs now. My 2010 13 MBA is a keeper, but had a 2011 MacBook die in the first week due to bad logic board and took it back for a refund. Hit or miss, buyer beware!