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Old Nov 19, 2012, 09:21 PM   #1
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I'm going to get hate for this but...

I wish we didn't have the "Alternatives to iOS forum". It's attracting android fans - and while I know yadda yadda yadda choice is good - I don't want them here. I like iOS. I like my iOS fan community. I don't want to get sucked into their battles, I hate the new atmosphere up in this place. It's not nice nor is it fun. Android is a stolen product - I fundamentally believe it, not because "Steve said so", and this community was better without the fandroids, IMHO.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 09:54 PM   #2
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no hate here, but a tip: don't get sucked into their battles ... That's why it's great to have the sub forum. It allows you easier to ignore it (e.g. In spy).
And if you see someone outside in the Apple world talk about Android and start battles give the mods a hint and they will relocate into the fenced area.

And sometimes, when you want to, you could even have a look and see how they are doing. Keep your mind and eyes open.

And I'm not sure if Android is stolen , it base on Linux, an OpenSource system designated to be used for own projects. You could discuss if Google and the others vendor give enough back to the community but that is OT and belongs to different sub forum.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 10:18 PM   #3
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Your complaints are some of the reasons the subforum was created in the first place
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 10:21 PM   #4
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I don't know what you're talking about man!

I love the Jeep sub forum in my FJ Cruiser forum and the Playstation sub forum in my X-Box forum or the piano sub forum in my guitar forum or the cardiology sub forum in my neurology forum.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 10:23 PM   #5
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Your complaints are some of the reasons the subforum was created in the first place
At some point as a site owner you have to look at the ideals that you founded your site on. This site was built to focus on Apple products as witnessed by the name and the apple motif as a logo.

I think the minute you add politics as a discussion area ..your board is going change and if you start giving voice to competitive products then you further dilute the ideals.

There are plenty of Android sites to discuss how great the upcoming 8 inch phone is going to be without Mac sites having to cater.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 11:37 PM   #6
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At some point as a site owner you have to look at the ideals that you founded your site on. This site was built to focus on Apple products as witnessed by the name and the apple motif as a logo.

I think the minute you add politics as a discussion area ..your board is going change and if you start giving voice to competitive products then you further dilute the ideals.

There are plenty of Android sites to discuss how great the upcoming 8 inch phone is going to be without Mac sites having to cater.
Thank you!

All points have been valid - but I think you have summed up my original post in a very eloquent fashion. I think we should actually open the Android forum to long-term forum users, much like the swaplist.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 11:43 PM   #7
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Wow, that's all I have to say. I know this is an Apple forum and I have a Mac Pro and an iPod. But if you this attitude of not wanting "others" here just because it's a Apple-only forum, that's just silly and insecure IMO.

Is someone holding a gun to your head to go to the Android forum? No I don't think so. Nobody is forcing to read that. There's plenty of forums I don't care for so I just ignore them. And even if you read stuff outside of that forum, are so into Apple that you can't bare hear anything bad about them or iOS? You like iOS? That's great. I'm not being sarcastic at all, that's fine. I like Android. Works for me. Some like Windows. Some like Blackberry. Crazy huh?

No wonder why 'the others' think Apple users are part of cult or think Apple users come across snobby, this thread proves it.

Like or not, there are other options that some like and they think are better than Apple's offerings.

Android, Windows, and Blackberry oh my!

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I wish we didn't have the "Alternatives to iOS forum". It's attracting android fans - and while I know yadda yadda yadda choice is good - I don't want them here. I like iOS. I like my iOS fan community. I don't want to get sucked into their battles, I hate the new atmosphere up in this place. It's not nice nor is it fun. Android is a stolen product - I fundamentally believe it, not because "Steve said so", and this community was better without the fandroids, IMHO.
Sorry but it sounded to "humble."


Android's a nice guy, look:

"Hello."
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 11:48 PM   #8
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I read the Android board frequently....Whilst I'm an all Apple person, i like keeping abreast of what's going on in ALL technologies. Having a dedicated area for this is a perfectly sound idea, and it works.

I don't hate Android, the companies that make the devices or the people that use them. It's just different tech. That's all.
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 01:59 AM   #9
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I wish we didn't have the "Alternatives to iOS forum". It's attracting android fans - and while I know yadda yadda yadda choice is good - I don't want them here. I like iOS. I like my iOS fan community. I don't want to get sucked into their battles, I hate the new atmosphere up in this place. It's not nice nor is it fun. Android is a stolen product - I fundamentally believe it, not because "Steve said so", and this community was better without the fandroids, IMHO.
Yeah, but back before they had that subforum they did it all in the main iPhone forum. This is MUCH better, as you can simply choose not to visit the subforum
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 02:26 AM   #10
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No Sir, I do not like it.

The non Mac user might have have had a valid reason for being after having bought an iPhone, but after ditching that and getting an Samsung Galaxy Jelly Bean Sandwich, what the €£¥% are they still here sprouting their tired worn cliches.

I say make the site only compatible for iOS and OS X browsers.
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 05:29 AM   #11
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I wish we didn't have the "Alternatives to iOS forum". It's attracting android fans - and while I know yadda yadda yadda choice is good - I don't want them here. I like iOS. I like my iOS fan community. I don't want to get sucked into their battles, I hate the new atmosphere up in this place. It's not nice nor is it fun. Android is a stolen product - I fundamentally believe it, not because "Steve said so", and this community was better without the fandroids, IMHO.
Some of us use Apple products and devices that run Android. Sometimes I go to Android boards when I have a question that's specific to Android, but sometimes I want the opinions of my fellow Apple users at MacRumors. Having been a member here for eight years, I know the community and am interested in members' comparisons and their experiences using both platforms.

With thousands of new posts every day here, I'm sure you'll find enough to interest you. Just avoid those sub-forums you're not interested in, and you'll have a good experience on MR. There's no reason to spend time and energy being irritated over something that other members value, especially when you're not required to read or participate there.
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 06:38 PM   #12
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I don't understand how anyone can generate enough emotion about an electronic device to "hate".

I truly enjoy my electronic stuff, but it's just stuff. I've spent an obscene amount of money on this stuff, but I still can't get up enough emotion about them to love or hate.

I love sentient beings and, to my embarrassment, do hate certain people.That strong emotion is reserved for people who have caused pain and suffering to other humans. But to waste such strong and intense emotion on inanimate things never ceases to amaze me. They are just not that important, IMO.
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I don't understand how anyone can generate enough emotion about an electronic device to "hate".

I truly enjoy my electronic stuff, but it's just stuff. I've spent an obscene amount of money on this stuff, but I still can't get up enough emotion about them to love or hate.

I love sentient beings and, to my embarrassment, do hate certain people.That strong emotion is reserved for people who have caused pain and suffering to other humans. But to waste such strong and intense emotion on inanimate things never ceases to amaze me. They are just not that important, IMO.
Bravo, great post. And, yes, I agree with you. 'Hate' over electronic stuff that, yes, is lovely and costs an obscene amount of money.....is ludicrous. Instead, reserve 'hate' for stuff that really matters.....

When I was a teenager, an astonishing degree of 'hate' was reserved for certain types of music, and, by extension, at their fans. These days, I shrug. Some of the time. But not all.....

Actually, a certain corrupt former Prime Minister of ours (condemned by the High Court for perjury and for having been on the take for most of his time in public life.....actually two, corrupt former Prime Ministers of ours, one of whom was the protégé of the other) ..have been objects of something approaching hate.

And, when I tell myself that I am now a fully functioning rational being......able to turn the other cheek....and refusing to rise to mild temptation, sometimes, all it takes is Kevin Costner, (whom I detest....) or someone similar.....and yes, smoke emerges from my nostrils.....and it's not caused by nicotine because that is a vice I don't have....

How ridiculous and irrational it all is......
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Bravo, great post. And, yes, I agree with you. 'Hate' over electronic stuff that, yes, is lovely and costs an obscene amount of money.....is ludicrous. Instead, reserve 'hate' for stuff that really matters.....

When I was a teenager, an astonishing degree of 'hate' was reserved for certain types of music, and, by extension, at their fans. These days, I shrug. Some of the time. But not all.....

Actually, a certain corrupt former Prime Minister of ours (condemned by the High Court for perjury and for having been on the take for most of his time in public life.....actually two, corrupt former Prime Ministers of ours, one of whom was the protégé of the other) ..have been objects of something approaching hate.

And, when I tell myself that I am now a fully functioning rational being......able to turn the other cheek....and refusing to rise to mild temptation, sometimes, all it takes is Kevin Costner, (whom I detest....) or someone similar.....and yes, smoke emerges from my nostrils.....and it's not caused by nicotine because that is a vice I don't have....

How ridiculous and irrational it all is......
And all anyone can do is to try to create some ethical order out of the irrational chaos.

No matter what others do, live one's life with principle and decency. I can only control, and be totally responsible for, my own behavior.

It's up to each of us...
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 08:28 PM   #15
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Can't we just all get along? Just ignore that forum. Remove it from your preferences in Forum Spy, and move on.
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 02:14 PM   #16
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I'm glad we have the alternative forum. It keep a lot of crap out of the other forums.
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 02:36 PM   #17
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I'm glad we have the alternative forum. It keep a lot of crap out of the other forums.
And it keeps all the off-topic "why are you posting this on an Apple forum?" trolling out of the alternatives discussions.
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Old Nov 23, 2012, 02:27 AM   #18
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Im one of the forum members who worked with the mods to push for an Android subforum. The reason being that the iPhone forum was basically ruined with Android posts.

This setup is MUCH better, I never go into the subforum so I dont see any of it. Plus if some lost soul comes along and pops an Android thread in the iPhone forum its quickly sorted with the use of the report button.

Until the day I may decide to purchase an Android device I dont particularly want it rammed down my throat every time I come here. Setting up my mums Samsung Galaxy Ace last night (I know! but they are literally giving them away and cheap contracts, and she liked it because "it looks like an iPhone", no kidding). I cant see me switching any time soon either. Pure junk.
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I wish we didn't have the "Alternatives to iOS forum". It's attracting android fans - and while I know yadda yadda yadda choice is good - I don't want them here. I like iOS.
Good for you.

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I don't want to get sucked into their battles, I hate the new atmosphere up in this place.
Battles? I see 90 percent useful information in this sub-forum.

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It's not nice nor is it fun.
Wrong. You hate Android. This is obvious.

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Android is a stolen product
Nice try.

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I fundamentally believe it
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fandroids, IMHO.
You have no real arguments.
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Im one of the forum members who worked with the mods to push for an Android subforum. The reason being that the iPhone forum was basically ruined with Android posts.

This setup is MUCH better, I never go into the subforum so I dont see any of it. Plus if some lost soul comes along and pops an Android thread in the iPhone forum its quickly sorted with the use of the report button.

Until the day I may decide to purchase an Android device I dont particularly want it rammed down my throat every time I come here.
This! I too LOVE the subforum. It makes Macrumors as a whole much more tolerable.

It was literally exhausting in the iPhone forum seeing every other thread being an Android thread. You don't see constant iPhone threads in the Android forums.
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I like it.

Each time I click on the iPhone link, I always see a bunch of Android related stuff that I don't care for.

Now I dont
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Case and Point - the Apple and Samsung Seek to Extend Infringement Claims thread

Hey All,
Sorry for bumping this - but my case and point shows in the comments from this article. Apple and Samsung Seek to Extend Infringement Claims in Second U.S. Patent Lawsuit. Here, http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=16367417 , a ton of samsung fans "ganged up" and invalidated my opinions, one by one, that sided in favor of Apple. I'd wager that 99% of these Android Fans wouldn't be here if there was no place for them to hang around.

Please - can we at least put a notice that this isn't a "hangout" for Android fans, and the "other devices" section is a "if you must talk about them - talk about them here" kind of section?

It's a negative energy that brings this place down...
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MacRumors:Apple Mac iOS News and Rumours you care about.

Apple, Mac, iOS News and Rumors.
This is what Google search results reveal. I don't see anything about Android News and Rumours.

I can see the logic behind it I suppose as it promotes page clicks and subsquent ad revenue. Unfortunately the shills and astroturfers undoubtedly drive away people who aren't interested in venturing outside the Apple walled garden.
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Since I don't own any Andriod products, there is no reason why I should visit the sub forum, or even piss and moan about it...

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I agree with the OP.

Maybe rename the forum to "TechRumours"
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