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I agree on The Maltese Falcon, although I don't quite understand why it's often said to be the master piece of noir. But since you like it, I'd recommend The Big Sleep to you, if you haven't seen it already. I personally would rate that one even slightly higher than The Maltese Falcon, but that would be talking about nuances.

And yes, please look out for the Island of Lost Souls! And for The Night of the Hunter also. (I know, this thread is rather demanding :))

I guess as a Bogart fan, I'm a little out of the loop here. The Big Sleep is a wonderful movie, even though no one can actually tell you the plot. Bogart was asked about the plot, and he said he had no idea, it was too complicated.

There's a wonderful story about the fact that no one understood the plot, even the screenwriters. William Faulkner (yes, THAT William Faulkner!!) and his co-writers couldn't figure out who killed one of the characters. They called the book's author, Raymond Chandler, and asked him. Incensed, Chandler barked at Faulkner, "Read the book". Faulkner said he had, and when Chandler hung up he and his co-writers went back to work. The next day, Chandler called back and told them he re-read his own book, and he couldn't figure out who killed the character...and said "do whatever you want".

One critic, asked the plot, said "It's about a sexy bookstore".

My love for the Maltese Falcon stems from what I think is a brilliant script (almost word for word from the book), wonderful casting, great direction, and terrific acting. But then, that's just one man's opinion...:D
 
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The Big Sleep is a wonderful movie, even though no one can actually tell you the plot. Bogart was asked about the plot, and he said he had no idea, it was too complicated.

There's a wonderful story about the fact that no one understood the plot, even the screenwriters. William Faulkner (yes, THAT William Faulkner!!) and his co-writers couldn't figure out who killed one of the characters. They called the book's author, Raymond Chandler, and asked him. Incensed, Chandler barked at Faulkner, "Read the book". Faulkner said he had, and when Chandler hung up he and his co-writers went back to work. The next day, Chandler called back and told them he re-read his own book, and he couldn't figure out who killed the character...and said "do whatever you want".

One critic, asked the plot, said "It's about a sexy bookstore".

My love for the Maltese Falcon stems from what I think is a brilliant script (almost word for word from the book), wonderful casting, great direction, and terrific acting. But then, that's just one man's opinion...:D

:D Good story, Shrink. And to be clear: I think they're both incredible movies. But then again there are sooo many good noirs out there, I always found it odd that Sam Spade was the biggest shot. But yeah, you're right of course: just another opinion....and about the missing plot of The Big Sleep: maybe that's why I loved it so much. Also Lauren Bacall is always a huge asset.
As is Peter Lorre, who's featured in the Falcon.
 
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:D Good story, Shrink. And to be clear: I think they're both incredible movies. But then again there are sooo many good noirs out there, I always found it odd that Sam Spade was the biggest shot. But yeah, you're right of course: just another opinion....and about the missing plot of The Big Sleep: maybe that's why I loved it so much. Also Lauren Bacall is always a huge asset.
As is Peter Lorre, who's featured in the Falcon.

I agree about Bacall. After Ingrid Bergman (be still my heart), Bacall is a favorite. I saw an interview she did on TCM and she seems to be a terrific lady. Smart, talented, and with her heart in the right place. (That means I admired her political actions during the Hollywood HUAC witch hunts of the 50's. She has balls...).

Also, When I was about 10-11 years old I rode up in an elevator with Bacall and her daughter. I just stared...really smooth and debonaire. :p:eek:
 
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Watched the Total Recall remake with Colin Farrell. Not a bad movie, threw some bones to the original film, excessively busy CGI, and the movie was one big chase sequence without the timing and surprises of the original film, of course, most of us remember the original film and were making comparisons. :)

Also saw Men in Black 3. I think this franchise is over the hill and suffered a bit without Rip Torn's presense. Both and second and third firms lost the feeling of the original IMO.
 

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Just saw Bond, James Bond in Skyfall. Starts with a bang, but not so happy with the last half. If you've not seen it, my suggestion is to wait for rental. I'm sure there will be some disagreement about this.

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Just saw Bond, James Bond in Skyfall. Starts with a bang, but not so happy with the last half. If you've not seen it, my suggestion is to wait for rental. I'm sure there will be some disagreement about this.

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The fact that you consider Quantum one of the best Bonds since Goldfinger tells me that I actually might like Skyfall. :p
 

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The fact that you consider Quantum one of the best Bonds since Goldfinger tells me that I actually might like Skyfall. :p

Go for it! Let me know if you don't. :)

Could you verbalize your critique of Quantum? I assume you know it ties directly into Casino Royale and is a continuation of that story. :) A story about a large multinational corporation pretending to be green, but in reality a manipulative, fascist, anti-environmental predator, perfect for a James Bond story.
 

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Go for it! Let me know if you don't. :)

Could you verbalize your critique of Quantum? I assume you know it ties directly into Casino Royale and is a continuation of that story. :) A story about a large multinational corporation pretending to be green, but in reality a manipulative, fascist, anti-environmental predator, perfect for a James Bond story.

I'll keep you updated :)

About Quantum: To me it's not important if a Bond story continuates or not. If it is more like a thin thread to give it some kind of epic feeling (can't express that better now, I'm at work :D) they shouldn't do this. To be honest I can't really recall how it was done in Quantum of...

To me it was a fast-paced all-out-action flic. Also it got messy (and generic) with the locations. I can't even recall large parts of the plot or how the baddie was like. Not a good sign imho.
But of course that's just my opinion. I did like Casino Royale a lot though.
 

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I'll keep you updated :)

About Quantum: To me it's not important if a Bond story continuates or not. If it is more like a thin thread to give it some kind of epic feeling (can't express that better now, I'm at work :D) they shouldn't do this. To be honest I can't really recall how it was done in Quantum of...

To me it was a fast-paced all-out-action flic. Also it got messy (and generic) with the locations. I can't even recall large parts of the plot or how the baddie was like. Not a good sign imho.
But of course that's just my opinion. I did like Casino Royale a lot though.

I know, watch them back to back! Maybe you'll change your mind. :)

For Bond movies, I want a good plot, good, well choreographed, all most believable action, and memorable characters good and bad. In these two movies, with Quantum being a direct sequel, I feel a smooth transition from one part to the next, outstanding all most believable action* ;), and checks in all the boxes I personally require to enjoy an action film like this. This is not an attempt to change your mind and you might just like Skyfall. :D

One thing about the Casino reboot, is that if felt like the atmosphere of the original James Bond movies, such as From Russia with Love.

*The car chase that opens Quntum was exhilarating, along with the rooftop chase in Sienna, Italy, at least for me.
 
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Bond. Nothing worth watching since Connery left, and that was no great shakes either.

FEH!

(How's that for an intelligent, well reasoned critique?) :p ;)
 

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Satie - Gymnopédies / Gnossiennes

I can't find it anymore, but there once was an amazing collage of René Claire's movie Entr'acte with Satie's (who also composed the original soundtrack) Gnossiennes on youtube. If I ever find it again, I'll post it, but fear it got deleted. It started with some sort of can-can / variéte dancers, if I remember correctly.

Ah, Satie - his Gymnopédies/Gnossiennes are exquisite - must have a listen later this evening.

I haven't seen that René Clair movie. However, over twenty years ago in Paris, I did have dinner with his widow and the widow of the actor Gérard Phillippe also attended. The host was the grandfather of the family I was staying with, a French cinema critic named Georges Charensol, who was a friend of René Clair's, and was also his biographer. (And, as I have since learned, M. Charensol was also one of the people who was involved in the setting up of the Cannes Film Festival).

On consideration, this post is probably more appropriate for the cinema/movie thread.......oh, well. Venerable French movies (and their stars and directors) can turn up anywhere.......as maybe, they have a timeless appeal.

Quite speechless. But wrong thread, I'll bother you in the more appropriate one....

But re Satie: which interpretation do you favor? I do adore Aldo Ciccolini's - in contrast to the awful Reinbert De Leeuws. :D
Since you're going to listen to it probably later, what do you think about Mouvements En Forme De Poire - Mvt. 3 / En plus? That's also one of my favorites.

Re Satie, I'll have to check my recording; back in the day, (1980s), I had an old vinyl LP (lovely) which I bought in London, and a newer (and quite cheap) Nexus CD; the latter is what is on my iTunes. I'll try to locate it...

Re René Clair, his widow, and the lady who was the widow of Gérard Phillippe, - another guest at the dinner had survived Auschwitz, but questions on such topics were not especially encouraged - it was an extraordinary experience, but, as is so often the case, much of what was discussed then was new to me, and, it is only with subsequent reading, learning and experience that I understood much more, and now, would love to be able to be present at such a meal, and ask questions framed with much greater knowledge, understanding and insight.

I was young (that particular dinner took place in the late 1980s), and had been exposed much more to anglophone cinematography, rather than more continental influences, though I did pay heed to whatever crossed my path. In fact, the esoteric nature of much classic French cinematography was unknown to me until I stayed with that particular family in Paris - initially, as a teenager in the very late 70s, later as a student, and later still, shortly after I started teaching, which is when this dinner occurred.

We, the 'youngsters' i.e. students, the grand-children of the family and myself, were seated at the bottom of a large French dining table. M. Charensol, and his guests, were at the head of the table. My own hosts, the parents of the family, M. Charensol's utterly charming middle-aged son and his equally wonderful wife, were seated mid way down. Speech from us was not especially welcome, I recall.

I also recall the stunningly Francophone nature of the discussion and perspectives - and while something of a Francophile myself in those days, I was surprised at their disregard and lack of respect and complete lack of interest in the Anglophone world. Madame Clair asked about the 'charmante Irlandaise' (me) and wondered whether Ireland was independent. Somewhat indignant, I tried to formulate a polite reply (while avoiding the standard snarled response of 'oh, only for about the last 70 or so years' as was the case in the 1980s); before I could even open my mouth, M. Charensol had silenced me with a stare, and coolly informed the table that yes, he believed it was. Of course, he knew perfectly well that it was; his family had stayed with mine, and I with his on several occasions.

However, I was struck by something which had also come up at dinners in London; even as a - very intellectual and exceptionally nerdish (though that word had not then been coined) teenager, I was aware of the history and politics (and later, the culture) of every country in Europe. I knew what sort of Government and political culture each country had; I couldn't believe that leading intellectuals from large countries lacked such knowledge. It took me a while to realise that some pieces of information simply didn't register on their radar.

Georges Charensol himself was an exceptionally interesting man. Handsome, erudite, effortlessly charming and so extraordinarily knowledgeable. He counted Marc Chagall and René Clair as friends. I knew him when he was elderly - but he still worked each day, on his terms. Afternoons would see him strolling, or taking the Métro to the cinema, or an exhibition, and, later, joining his family for dinner in the evenings sometimes. Mornings would sometimes see him sitting propped up in bed, dressing gown around his shoulders, typewriter on his knees, calmly crafting his piece which reviewed the movies he had just seen. He had a programme on French national radio reviewing movies of the week, which was broadcast each Sunday night; the family (and I, when I was there) would listen, awed and impressed.

His grandson informed me that at the age of 18, in late 1917, he had been called up for military service. A medical examination showed a severe case of tuberculosis and military service was ruled out on medical grounds, the doctor, laughing ironically, saying that he wouldn't even live long enough to be sent to the trenches. In fact, he died in 1995.

I have autographed copies of his biography of René Clair, which he presented to me, and also of his account of the Dreyfus Affair, one of his earliest books, published in the late 1920s, which he gave me on a subsequent visit. As part of the background research for the book, he had actually interviewed Captain Dreyfus, who was still alive in the late 1920s, and I was utterly absorbed and entranced listening to him describe it. That was a smaller dinner, just M. Charensol, two of his grandchildren and myself. I had wondered about Dreyfus, and was astonished to be told - by M. Charensol - that he was 'un homme très froid'.

Later reading on my part confirmed that Dreyfus, who was from Alsace, had a cool, collected, composed, controlled, demeanour, a reserved air, a sort of 'stiff upper lip', which went down very well in the UK and US, as these were societies, which, at the time, prized an ideal of stoic heroic masculinity. It did him no favours at all in the court room in Paris, where his lack of fervid passion was ascribed to guilt, and helped, along with good old-fashioned anti-Semitism, to convict him. However, I rather imagine that his cool self-possession must have helped him survive his hideous ordeal.
 
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That is one wonderful and impressive post. Hard to reply something be honest.


A classic scene of a French family, gathered at the dining table, comes to mind.

Pieces of Proust.

Dreyfus.

Watch Louis Malle's Le Feu Follet. It plays in Paris within the most beautiful black and white images accompanied by, guess who, Satie's Gnossiennes. A wonderful autumn-movie.
 
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If you like Louis Malle, try the French movie Ascenseur pour l'échafaud. (Elevator to the Gallows)

Jeanne Moreau AND a Miles Davis soundtrack!!!!

You can't miss. :cool:

Yes, although heavily flawed, a great movie. I think it was even his first. And the great free-flow jazz by Miles alone is worth the money. I'm not a huge fan of the Nouvelle Vague movement though which is already foreshadowed here.

And all this Bond talk made me nervous: saw From Russia with Love and, colour me surprised, just noticed that Brecht's own Lotte Lenya is featured as the evil russian witch.
 
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Yes, although heavily flawed, a great movie. I think it was even his first. And the great free-flow jazz by Miles alone is worth the money. I'm not a huge fan of the Nouvelle Vague movement though which is already foreshadowed here.

Flawed, yes, but he was only 24 when he made it. A cinematic Mozart.

Here is an interview with Louis. My French is flawed (i.e. virtually non-existent) but Miles doing the score on the fly is ****ing amazing.

And all this Bond talk made me nervous: saw From Russia with Love and, colour me surprised, just noticed that Brecht's own Lotte Lenya is featured as the evil russian witch.

Rosa Kleb was a highlight of the movie for me. A super-villain.
 
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Flawed, yes, but he was only 24 when he made it. A cinematic Mozart.

Here is an interview with Louis. My French is flawed (i.e. virtually non-existent) but Miles doing the score on the fly is ****ing amazing.

Rosa Kleb was a highlight of the movie for me. A super-villain.

Agree completely with both statements. And the last ten minutes with Rosa are unforgettable. Nice shoes btw.

edit: thank's for the link, although it doesn't work for me. Fortunately, I'm living in a country that prevents me from watching illegal things like that.
 
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Great, and now it looks like I'm the bad guy.

I'm will to take the bullet for you, buddy!:D

Just finished The Glass Key. Great Noir with an exceptional cast. A lot of buddies n' bodies. And William Bendix steals every single scene (except those with Veronica Lake :eek:) he's in. Story is rather hard to follow.

Yesterday The Darjeeling Limited for the third time or so. Always hilarious how Bill Murray misses the train.
 

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Tonight I watched Lethal Weapon 3 :)

Have all of them on DVD, but it's so much more convenient to just rent them from iTunes!

Oh, and big ole' plate full of nachos ;)
 

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Is there anyone here pissed that they are turning The Hobbit into 3 MOVIES???

I absolutely hate going to the movies to see a story so unfinished as this one will be (Dec release). I might just wait for all of them to be out on DVD before I watch them. Bah@#$!!

...Spoiler if there is by chance anyone not familiar with the story...
Where will they split it? My guesses:





Movie 1 stops at Beorn's Farm or largish spiders afterwards.
Movie 2 stops somewhere in the vicinity of Elves or Laketown.
Movie 3 finishes with the dragon in the Lonely Mountain.

What complicates it is that there is supposedly tons of filler material being added and characters familiar to us from the LOTR trilogy, but not originally in this LOTR prequel.
 
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I watched safehouse with Denzel Washington and Ryan Reynolds.

Entertaining moving, but not really great in fact it was extremely predicable of what was happening who the bad guys were. Still it was enjoyable to sit through but I'm glad I didn't pay for a movie ticket when it was out in the theaters
 

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I watched safehouse with Denzel Washington and Ryan Reynolds.

Entertaining moving, but not really great in fact it was extremely predicable of what was happening who the bad guys were. Still it was enjoyable to sit through but I'm glad I didn't pay for a movie ticket when it was out in the theaters

Good movie that

I'm suffering at the moment as the wife has twilight on :(
 
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