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Old Nov 22, 2012, 12:25 PM   #1
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USA: Happy Thanksgiving! Our Budget Deficit Is Shrinking!

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Believe it or not, the federal deficit has fallen faster over the past three years than it has in any such stretch since demobilization from World War II.

In fact, outside of that post-WWII era, the only time the deficit has fallen faster was when the economy relapsed in 1937, turning the Great Depression into a decade-long affair.
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 02:13 PM   #2
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But but but but... the right wingers keep telling us all our govt does is increase spending! you mean to tell me the D's are reducing the defect! IT CAN'T BE TRUE. THATS IMPOSSIBLE!

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Old Nov 22, 2012, 02:13 PM   #3
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This is like saying you only put $100,000 on the credit card this year as opposed to $150,000 last year and calling it a victory when you are $1,000,000 dollars in debt.

Celebration time? I think not.

The deficit this year was $1.1 Trillion with a T
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 03:44 PM   #4
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The way we spend on our military, we'll never not have a deficit. The fact that it is going down without any real noticeable loss of liberties is amazing.
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 04:00 PM   #5
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This is like saying you only put $100,000 on the credit card this year as opposed to $150,000 last year and calling it a victory when you are $1,000,000 dollars in debt.

Celebration time? I think not.

The deficit this year was $1.1 Trillion with a T
Yet it was the right that started this excessive deficit spending. You can't turn it around in a second to undo all the damage the right did.

This is a positive trend. Can't argue that
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 04:50 PM   #6
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Yet it was the right that started this excessive deficit spending. You can't turn it around in a second to undo all the damage the right did.

This is a positive trend. Can't argue that
But... But... Fiscal cliff!!! Benghazi!!!



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Old Nov 22, 2012, 04:57 PM   #7
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But... But... Fiscal cliff!!! Benghazi!!!



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Maybe I'm just spit-balling here, but how much have gays and their marriages added to the deficit? If we banned those and marijuana with Constitutional amendments, maybe America would be fine right now. ****ing democrats.
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 05:21 PM   #8
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Maybe I'm just spit-balling here, but how much have gays and their marriages added to the deficit? If we banned those and marijuana with Constitutional amendments, maybe America would be fine right now. ****ing democrats.
Huh? What does SSM have to do with the deficit? The only thing I can think might be a cause is the Rs are continuing to fight SSM in the courts. They are the ones spending money on this. :/

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Old Nov 22, 2012, 09:32 PM   #9
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Yet it was the right that started this excessive deficit spending. You can't turn it around in a second to undo all the damage the right did.

This is a positive trend. Can't argue that
Curious statement to make...what do you think the right did that "started this excessive deficit spending"? And what do you think Democrats have done to undo it?
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 09:38 PM   #10
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Curious statement to make...what do you think the right did that "started this excessive deficit spending"? And what do you think Democrats have done to undo it?
I would think putting 2 wars on the credit card and having huge tax breaks that went from a surplus before bush took office to huge deficits after is pretty telling....
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 11:52 PM   #11
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There is no excuse to continue deficit spending.

"But he started it," just doesn't cut it.
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 11:56 PM   #12
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There is no excuse to continue deficit spending.

"But he started it," just doesn't cut it.
Do you not think that policies enacted during the bush era, the economy, etc don't have inertia in respect to turning things around?

To believe one can just go from 1+trillion deficits to a surplus is beyond naive IMO

I find it ironic that the GOP is so concerned with the budget when it is their party that got us in this mess to begin with.
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Old Nov 23, 2012, 01:22 AM   #13
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Do you not think that policies enacted during the bush era, the economy, etc don't have inertia in respect to turning things around?

To believe one can just go from 1+trillion deficits to a surplus is beyond naive IMO

I find it ironic that the GOP is so concerned with the budget when it is their party that got us in this mess to begin with.
The democrats were more than on board with creating the subprime mess and allowing banks to gamble with the economy. In fact they stopped attempts to regulate Fannie and Freddie during Bush's term.
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Old Nov 23, 2012, 02:05 AM   #14
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Meanwhile:
http://www.usdebtclock.org

This is a very interesting debt clock, since you can check not only the national debt, but individual States.
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Old Nov 23, 2012, 11:38 AM   #15
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Meanwhile:
http://www.usdebtclock.org

This is a very interesting debt clock, since you can check not only the national debt, but individual States.
Everyone should have this bookmarked by now.

P.S. Wake me when the debt is going down. Saying the 'deficit is headed in the right direction' is like saying we're 'cutting spending' when all we're really doing is increasing spending slower than we originally planned. The big government and it's advocates have a warped language all their own.
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Old Nov 23, 2012, 01:51 PM   #16
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Meanwhile:
http://www.usdebtclock.org

This is a very interesting debt clock, since you can check not only the national debt, but individual States.
That is interesting. You can also look at the world GDP clocks. The most interesting part, I found, is that the two of the countries with the lowest debt to GDP percentage are communist Russia and China. What does it mean? That communism is good for debt?


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The big government and it's advocates have a warped language all their own.
Kind of like how "business-friendly" means against environmental controls and against workers' rights?
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Old Nov 23, 2012, 02:28 PM   #17
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Illinois' debt is going down.

EDIT: okay I just looked at a handful of states and their debt is going down, too. Guess IL isn't so special after all lol.
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Old Nov 23, 2012, 05:35 PM   #18
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The way we spend on our military, we'll never not have a deficit. The fact that it is going down without any real noticeable loss of liberties is amazing.
I love the people that think having a strong military or even a military at all is an unnecessary expense.
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Old Nov 23, 2012, 05:56 PM   #19
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I love the people that think having a strong military or even a military at all is an unnecessary expense.
So true. It's usually those who have no clue as to the way of the world. With but a sliver of knowledge, they're certain they know it all. Ever more disconcerting, they focus it down to a simpletons argument. It's the Republicans vs the Democrats. Yeah right
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I love the people that think having a strong military, or even a military at all, is an unnecessary expense.
It's a question of degree, which you seem to have trouble coming to grips with?

The U.S. is still practising 'gun-boat' diplomacy, to get their way about the World.

They are not defending their Homeland, they are defending their way of life.
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Illinois' debt is going down.

EDIT: okay I just looked at a handful of states and their debt is going down, too. Guess IL isn't so special after all lol.
You may want to look at the debt, and then compare that number to the GDP. By the way, if you place the mouse's pointer over the number you are looking at, a window appears on the screen with an explanation of what the number means.

It's amazing how much data has been incorporated in that clock.
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This is like saying you only put $100,000 on the credit card this year as opposed to $150,000 last year and calling it a victory when you are $1,000,000 dollars in debt.

Celebration time? I think not.

The deficit this year was $1.1 Trillion with a T
This is how politicians of all colors look at it. It is a positive trend. I figure the only way you'd be happy was if Obama waived his magic wand and made it all go away over the last 4 years or would it?
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There is no excuse to continue deficit spending.

"But he started it," just doesn't cut it.
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I love the people that think having a strong military or even a military at all is an unnecessary expense.
I love the people that read other people saying "I think the military budget is too high" means "I hate the military and think we need to get rid of it".

There is no reason that the military for our country needs to cost the same as the next 14 countries combined. That's not Anti-American. That's not unpatriotic. That's not anti-military. That's common sense.
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There is no excuse to continue deficit spending.

"But he started it," just doesn't cut it.
Yet if FDR hadn't have done that, the Great Depression would have gone on for at least 10 years longer than what it had.

But then again, to pay for it and WWII, as mentioned to you in another thread, we paid our bills and taxes were raised on the top end to the tune of 90%, and we got along perfectly fine during and afterwards, yet now, during the period where we've had the lowest taxes since, you're up in arms about it now.

And yet you balk at the same fiscal responsibility the Blues (modern-day Reds were Blue back then) took to steady the ship.

Oh, such hypocrisy.. so petty, and pathetic.

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