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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:09 PM   #26
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No ability to upgrade to Fusion Drive for the base 21.5"? Why not? It's not like there is no room in the chassis for it as it's an available upgrade for the higher end 21.5".

Clearly Apple isn't looking to give anyone any sense of value here with these new iMacs.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:10 PM   #27
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So in order to get an iMac with 16gb and a Fusion drive (a single SSD doesn't seem to be an option) the minimum is $1949 - ouch!
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:10 PM   #28
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I have to admit I'm really impressed with the top-end GPU in the 27" iMac. Despite being a mobile GPU, benchmarks put it about level with the GTX 580, which is pretty bloody impressive (correct me if I'm wrong though!)

Not really as passionately annoyed about the thinness as some other people here; just considering the hardware specs alone (in the top-end models) I'd argue it's one of their biggest updates -- plus they made it incredibly thin.

I feel I'm in the minority here, but well done Apple.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:10 PM   #29
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Haters can post all their rage comments about how this thing doesn't have an optical drive or the 21" model has no user upgradeable RAM, or that its too thin.

They can complain all they want, but this thing is sweet.
It's sweet looking, but it's far from a sweet computer.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:11 PM   #30
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Expensive, but indeed it is awesome stuff.

But I am thinking about getting the previous generation at cheaper price.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:11 PM   #31
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Looks like my next computer will be a hackintosh..
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:11 PM   #32
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No Fusion Drive for the base 21.5"? Why not? It's not like there is no room in the chassis for it as it's an available upgrade for the higher end 21.5".

Clearly Apple isn't looking to give anyone any sense of value here with these new iMacs.
They don't want you to buy the 21" apparently. No fusion? Get the 27" and give us more money.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:11 PM   #33
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Looks likes I will be getting the 27" since I need more than 16 megs of RAM
Not sure why you are mad. This has been the case with all iMac's since 2009. With the reduction in size, did you really think they were going to add MORE memory slots to the 21" iMac?!?!
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:12 PM   #34
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Can someone help me know which option is better?

I am purchasing a new iMac on business expense. I have to keep it as close to $1600 as possible. I'm only looking at 21.5 inch iMacs and I get an educators discount.

Could someone help me understand which option will have more bang for the buck?

2.9 GHz w/ ram upgrade to 16 GB for $1599
2.9 GHz w/ Fusion drive upgrade for $1649
3.1 GHz with no other upgrades for $1599

I can only afford one option of the three with my work budget.

I do a bit of video editing; but not a lot. I mostly write and research.

I don't get to purchase a new computer for work very often so I want this to be as future friendly as possible.

Thanks for the help!
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:13 PM   #35
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. Apple is getting retarded. I just bought 16GB SO-DIMM of same memory for under 100.00 for Macbook. So weak Apple. The hard drive speed thing is about moving users into more expensive models. There is no reason to offer 5400RPM drives (I get the fusion SSD/HDD option but even then I want 7200 in storage. Slow enough already). iMac's don't run on batteries. And the heat is a minimal difference.
youre saying apple is "getting" retarded. It's as if apple are only now offering pricy RAM modules.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:13 PM   #36
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Yep, unfortunately Apple is a one trick pony at this point. They need to get back to innovation and put away the scalpel.
I think Apple is smart for pushing the thinness boundries. So will you when they introduce an iMac that can be pulled of the wall in front of you like a poster, rolled up into a tube, and taken with you anywhere you go. This kind of innovation isn't immediately appreciated, but it is what makes ultra-portable products like the iPad mini a reality.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:14 PM   #37
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Only 768GB SSD Option?

Only a $1300 option for 768gb SSD on the 27" and NO SSD for the 21"? Say all you will about the fusion drive, but it is just a low cost holdover. While fast, it is still only as reliable as the weakest link (the magnetic disk or possibly Apple's caching layer).

Solid state is the future. Apple is usually good about leading the way (dropping floppy, DVD, RJ45, etc). This represents an odd step sideways.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:17 PM   #38
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I am purchasing a new iMac on business expense. I have to keep it as close to $1600 as possible. I'm only looking at 21.5 inch iMacs and I get an educators discount.

Could someone help me understand which option will have more bang for the buck?

2.9 GHz w/ ram upgrade to 16 GB for $1599
2.9 GHz w/ Fusion drive upgrade for $1649
3.1 GHz with no other upgrades for $1599

I can only afford one option of the three with my work budget.

I do a bit of video editing; but not a lot. I mostly write and research.

I don't get to purchase a new computer for work very often so I want this to be as future friendly as possible.

Thanks for the help!
Fusion Drive would result in the most noticeable performance improvement for normal use in my opinion...
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:18 PM   #39
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replacing 4GB RAM module

Does anyone here knows if you can replace the 4GB RAM modules (2 of themon the 27" high end model), with aftermarket RAM?

Apple says there is four user accessible SO-DIMM slots, which to me means you can add 32GB in addition to the 8GB already on the system. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:18 PM   #40
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I have to admit I'm really impressed with the top-end GPU in the 27" iMac. Despite being a mobile GPU, benchmarks put it about level with the GTX 580, which is pretty bloody impressive (correct me if I'm wrong though!)
No one knows yet. I have not seen anything of substance as they have not shipped yet and no one else is using a 680mx. 680m's are close to desktop GTX480. OK. But this is Apples consumer desktop it should at least be at desktop GTX660/670 and it won't be. Especially having a 27" screen. Still scrapping by. I AM impressed that they even got to GTX480 actually. Apple does not care about GPU performance. Just enough to get the job done.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:18 PM   #41
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Welp, I thought I was going to go upper-end 21.5 or lower-end 27, but these pricing tiers are an obvious slap in the face to anyone trying to moderate. HOWEVER since I've ruled out any non-iMac alternatives and am a captive audience, I guess I'm getting the high end 27 now. I'll upgrade my own ram later, get fusion, and at least consider the possibility of going i7.

Not happy about dropping this kind of cash, but I might as well really go for it now. You win, Apple, you win. Just make it quick.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:19 PM   #42
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$200 to add 8GB of RAM????????????? Apple is really pissing me off more and more. It wasn't a problem when I can just install RAM myself, but this is a step too far.

Now to get the computer I want with the speeds and performance I expect, I got to spend $1949 (21.5" with Fusion Drive and 16GB RAM). I used to be fine with base models and just adding my own RAM if needed for $1200. Now I'm forced to $750 more with this new model. I can do better with a Windows 8 machine with real desktop parts instead of an oversized laptop. Apple has forced my hand.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:19 PM   #43
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boooo.... fusion should be standard across the board!
I really agree, the one thing keeping me from buying a discounted old I Mac was the hope of the base 21.5 with fusion drive, guess not now
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:20 PM   #44
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Anyone know how the GPUs compare to the ATI HD 5750 from the 27" iMacs from a couple of years ago?
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:21 PM   #45
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youre saying apple is "getting" retarded. It's as if apple are only now offering pricy RAM modules.
Settle down son. I mean the change in not letting users replace a desktop memory allotment. Not the price. That is better nowadays, sadly.

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Welp, I thought I was going to go upper-end 21.5 or lower-end 27, but these pricing tiers are an obvious slap in the face to anyone trying to moderate. HOWEVER since I've ruled out any non-iMac alternatives and am a captive audience, I guess I'm getting the high end 27 now. I'll upgrade my own ram later, get fusion, and at least consider the possibility of going i7.

Not happy about dropping this kind of cash, but I might as well really go for it now. You win, Apple, you win. Just make it quick.
"Yes, it is all going according to plan" -Apple.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:21 PM   #46
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I guess "BTO" is a matter of perspective...

Could someone please explain to me why I need a 27" screen to get a SSD? What exactly does one have to do with the other? It's insanely easy to add a better drive, moreso at the factory before the computer is even assembled. Why is Apple not allowing me to upgrade my primary drive just because I'd rather have a smaller screen?

And yes, I said smaller, not thinner. Get the hint, Apple?
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:21 PM   #47
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I am purchasing a new iMac on business expense. I have to keep it as close to $1600 as possible. I'm only looking at 21.5 inch iMacs and I get an educators discount.

Could someone help me understand which option will have more bang for the buck?

2.9 GHz w/ ram upgrade to 16 GB for $1599
2.9 GHz w/ Fusion drive upgrade for $1649
3.1 GHz with no other upgrades for $1599
Definitely the Fusion option. 8GB is already plenty, and the Ghz upgrade will be barely noticeable - especially given your tasks. By contrast, solid state storage (that the Fusion drive contains) gives the most useful performance gains in real world tasks (booting, saving, reading).
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:21 PM   #48
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is it worth to upgrade the fusion drive for a premium of $250 at least?
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:22 PM   #49
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youre saying apple is "getting" retarded. It's as if apple are only now offering pricy RAM modules.
It's actually MUCH better nowadays compared to what Apple used to charge for RAM in the 90s and early 2000s... The oldtimers know what I am talking about
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:22 PM   #50
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I would rather have thicker and no chin however I guess this is what we get. Only problem I have with it is no fusion drive upgrade for the base 21.5"? I wouldn't care if I could upgrade the drive myself but this fact alone makes me content to keep my i3 iMac from 2010. It does everything I need it to perfectly, nothing they have changed is really making me wish for an upgrade.
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