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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:23 PM   #226
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Same concept applies to the second port for the SSD: while there might not be a bracket to hold a drive in place unless you order a Fusion Drive option, the port should at least be there and be usable. Will have to wait and see.
It has been suggested that the SSD will likely be of the sort used in the laptops: a "blade" with an edge connector, so standard form factor third party SSDs might not be an option, although perhaps the blades sold by places like OWC might be.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:24 PM   #227
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In my four years of ownership, I've had to replace the GPU for ~600.00...
How'd you replace the GPU in an iMac?
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:25 PM   #228
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Don't be silly, there's no bottleneck. Modern 5400 HDDs have almost no difference from 7200s in terms of speed. Trust me.

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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:25 PM   #229
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Yep, commodity crap, all offering thousands of options of the same exact thing, all trying to outdo each other for a cheaper price, and all running Windows.

But this isn't news, is it?
Commodity crap, huh?
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:26 PM   #230
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Why 5400rpm drives on the 21-inch model?
Given the limited capacity options and drive speed, it looks to me like the 21.5" iMac only has enough space inside for a 2.5" drive mechanism, while the 27" iMac is using a 3.5" drive mechanism (the 27" iMac has a larger body, and I expect it is thicker in the middle).

To implement the Fusion Drive option, both models also have space for a flash module like the one used in the MacBook Air or Retina MacBook Pro.

I expect a 27" iMac with the 768 GB SSD option would have the same 768 GB flash module as the Retina MacBook Pro, and its 3.5" drive bay would be empty.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:29 PM   #231
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This is a lie.


+1..

The only performance hit i can see is when your copying files to/from, and installing OS X/apps.

Unless people are *that* forgiving about a few seconds, "almost no difference" ya, in relation to the cache size (which only be true when your re-opening apps anyway)
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:30 PM   #232
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Well as I read happy fanboys comments here I become a minority here being dissapointed that entry desktop models have no chance to get ssd and that really saddens me, maybe time to move on as apple community likes it
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:36 PM   #233
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*ONLY?*

ONLY?

And you're worried about spending money (which I assumed you earned yourself) on *yourself*?

Woopah!!
Yep, my Christmas stash was mostly made up of money I earned doing side jobs for people. Repairing a stone walkway, power washing a house for a friend of my mother, etc... For the first time we didn't set a budget for each other's gift, but as she got me a 3rd gen refurbed iPad as a combined birthday/Christmas present, I have since exceeded her for likewise combined purchases.

Still, nearly three grand on a computer is a large purchase, even if the money is coming out of an injury settlement (a coworker hit me with a truck, I'm more or less recovered).

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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:36 PM   #234
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Really wish they didn't dump the FW800. That just made the 12 HD's I have useless.
Apple sells a Thunderbolt-to-Firewire 800 adapter. Seems to work OK on my Macbook Air.

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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:37 PM   #235
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This is a lie.

pff.. ok then, continue being wrong and whining about nothing real =)
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:37 PM   #236
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So in order to get an iMac with 16gb and a Fusion drive (a single SSD doesn't seem to be an option) the minimum is $1949 - ouch!
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Welp, I thought I was going to go upper-end 21.5 or lower-end 27, but these pricing tiers are an obvious slap in the face to anyone trying to moderate. HOWEVER since I've ruled out any non-iMac alternatives and am a captive audience, I guess I'm getting the high end 27 now. I'll upgrade my own ram later, get fusion, and at least consider the possibility of going i7.

Not happy about dropping this kind of cash, but I might as well really go for it now. You win, Apple, you win. Just make it quick.
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That would be nice for sure.

I can't believe that we've come to the point where a high end iMac model is as much as my MacPro was in 2008. Ah well, such is life.
Ah, just keep it in perspective. My dad's first Apple II was $2100 in the early 80's. The original Mac with 9" monochrome screen and 128K RAM was $2495. And these are non inflation-adjusted prices! The original iMac in 1998 brought the price down to $1299, but the price has crept back up over the years, with optional configurations bringing us back to $2000+. Yes, I know they are high compared to today's marketplace, but the point is, Apple has always targeted the $2000 range for their desktop computers. (Again, I know they're overcharging for RAM, etc, but $2K is their sweet spot)
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:39 PM   #237
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iTunes 11 November is almost coming to a end.
Good, let it be delayed indefinitely so I'm not forced to update my iTunes to make it work with the newest iOS. Once the iTunes required for the latest iOS doesn't work in Snow Leopard (watch it still work in Windows XP), I'm hosed.

Looks like everyone finally has all of that iMac news they've been whining about on iPad articles.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:41 PM   #238
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Dell U2713HM (LED backlit) is available on Amazon for $717 ($799 from Dell but - unlike Apple - they often have sales). In general though, I do not get the idea of AIO except for certain applications (primarily in the kitchen - but over there PC has to have a touch screen).[/QUOTE]

Fair enough on the monitor. Also, another poster showed a cheaper one from Wal-Mart that was high resolution. So it's even cheaper than it was just a month ago. Apple's prices are very high, at least by a few hundreds of dollars. A better performing machine would be $200+ less.

I'm thinking of dropping the fusion drive to save money when I get my 27". At the moment, I think it's still going to be the AIO Apple for me, I've saved money since June of 2011 to make it "ok" in my head to spend that much on a comp. (almost ok, anyway...) Next time around, though... I dunno. I love OSX and am willing to spend some extra $$ on it, but ... ugh.

Yeah, I agree with you--AIO are best at only a few things, and a compromise at best in everything else. I really like using the iPad in the kitchen. Best AIO for cooking. I can't get the wife to use it yet, though...but considering how messy the kitchen is when she's done, maybe that's for the best!
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:43 PM   #239
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It has been suggested that the SSD will likely be of the sort used in the laptops: a "blade" with an edge connector, so standard form factor third party SSDs might not be an option, although perhaps the blades sold by places like OWC might be.
That would make sense, considering the likely "space constrains" on a thinner 21.5" model. If that's the case, here's to OWC offering updates for those soon!
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:46 PM   #240
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It has been suggested that the SSD will likely be of the sort used in the laptops: a "blade" with an edge connector, so standard form factor third party SSDs might not be an option, although perhaps the blades sold by places like OWC might be.
It's not the suggestion. A photo of internals shown at the presentations clearly points out that the SSD identical to rMBP ones is used. Absolutely the same form factor.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:47 PM   #241
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UK prices

(with US prices in parentheses)

Base 21" model £1099
Upgrade RAM from 8GB to 16GB... £160 ($200)

High-end 21" model £1249
Upgrade RAM... see above
Upgrade processor to 3.1GHz quad core i7... £160 ($200)
Upgrade 1TB HDD to Fusion Drive... £200 ($250)

Base 27" model £1499
Upgrade RAM from 8GB to 16GB... £160 ($200)
Upgrade RAM from 8GB to 32GB... £480 ($600)
Upgrade 1TB HDD to 3TB HDD... £120 ($150)
Add Fusion to either 1TB or 3TB HDD... £200 ($250)
Replace 1TB HDD with 768GB SSD £1040 ($1300)

High-end 27" model £1699
All the above options for the base 27" model, plus
Upgrade processor to 3.4GHz quad-core i7... £160 (£200)
Upgrade graphics to GTX 680MX... £120 ($150)
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:49 PM   #242
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Not clear what you are talking about. PC users can get better CPUs, better RAM, better HD, better SSD, better monitors and definitely better graphics cards than what iMac has to offer (or any Mac to that matter).
If you can't tell the difference between Apple products and commodity crap, then my question is, why are you on this forum? I don't mean to be offensive, but, seriously, why are you here?
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:50 PM   #243
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If you can't tell the difference between Apple products and commodity crap, then my question is, why are you on this forum? I don't mean to be offensive, but, seriously, why are you here?
Commodity crap ? lol
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:52 PM   #244
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Looks likes I will be getting the 27" since I need more than 16 megs of RAM
The last time that my Mac had 16 megs of RAM was back in the 1990s.

Or did you mean to say, "16 gigs of RAM?"
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 05:53 PM   #245
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Lilo777 has zero interest in Macs. Agitating Mac users is his thing.
Yep.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 06:02 PM   #246
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I'm thinking of dropping the fusion drive to save money when I get my 27".
The Fusion Drive was the only thing that excited me when I watched the new product presentations. Innovative technology—it will make a MASSIVE performance difference.

Not interested in thin, would prefer keeping an optical drive. If it wasn't for the Fusion Drive I would be looking out for a previous generation refurb.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 06:04 PM   #247
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The Fusion Drive was the only thing that excited me when I watched the new product presentations. Innovative technology—it will make a MASSIVE performance difference.

Not interested in thin, would prefer keeping an optical drive. If it wasn't for the Fusion Drive I would be looking out for a previous generation refurb.
You might still be able to have a Fusion-like drive on that older iMac; check this article out.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 06:05 PM   #248
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Anyone get 32GB of RAM for a reasonable price? If so, link it up. I could and have googled it, but I don't really know what's good and what's not.
get two of these... $144 total before tax

http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartsp...0E583EA5CA7304
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 06:05 PM   #249
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The last time that my Mac had 16 megs of RAM was back in the 1990s.

Or did you mean to say, "16 gigs of RAM?"

Every single person here knows what he meant. Why make a useless post to correct it??

Unless it confused you. It would not surprise me.

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Old Nov 27, 2012, 06:09 PM   #250
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Since Apple appears to be cleaning house lately, can they also fire the dumb@ss who came up with an iMac design with RAM that is NOT user upgradeable?
That would be Sir Dumbass.

And consider that the core audience for the 21.5 are consumers who barely do more that online shop and read email and the 'necessity' of user upgradeable ram diminishes
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