Scott Forstall Deserved to be Ousted from Apple Says Former Apple Exec

MacRumors · Nov 29, 2012, 02:33 AM

In an interview with BBC, Tony Fadell claims that former Apple senior vice president of iOS Scott Forstall "got what he deserved," when he was forced to leave Apple.

Fadell is widely known as the godfather of the iPod, and he formerly served as the senior vice president of the iPod division and as a special advisor to Steve Jobs.

After Fadell left Apple in 2008, there were rumors that Forstall and Fadell butted heads on more than one occasion. A 2011 profile of Forstall suggested that he was difficult to work with and had fought with Fadell over the operating system for the iPhone, which eventually led to Fadell's departure from the company.

The interviewer asked about Forstall's personality and personal problems that Fadell had with Forstall, but Fadell declined to comment further and simply reiterated his previous statement.

Quote:

"I think what happened just a few weeks back was deserved and justified."

When asked about Apple, Fadell said that he thought the company was in a "great place" but mentioned that there had been cheering in Cupertino when Forstall was ousted.

Currently, Tony Fadell is the CEO of Nest, the company that has created the popular Nest Learning Thermostat. Scott Forstall is serving as an advisor to Tim Cook and will be leaving Apple in 2013.

Article Link: Scott Forstall Deserved to be Ousted from Apple Says Former Apple Exec

Negritude · Nov 29, 2012, 02:36 AM

"...got what he deserved..."

If only every day could be "tell the truth" day.

HiRez · Nov 29, 2012, 02:37 AM

The question is, can the guys who took over for Forstall do better?

Michaelgtrusa · Nov 29, 2012, 02:38 AM

Deserved maybe, but the man talent.

opeter · Nov 29, 2012, 02:38 AM

Hmm ... I thought, Forstall will be the next Steve Jobs.
Anyway, he would be still better than this idiot Coock ...

Macist · Nov 29, 2012, 02:46 AM

The thing is if you want to position yourself as number one innovator you can't have institutionalised dinosaurs acting as a obstruction to new talent and fresh thinking.

It was clear that despite numerous acquisitions of interesting technology companies and their teams over the past few years, iOS seemed strangely moribund in terms of major innovations. Something was a spanner in the works Turned out it was likely Forstall.

WatchTheThrone · Nov 29, 2012, 02:48 AM

Reminds me of when Steve Jobs was kicked out of Apple then came back....hhhhmmmm maybe he will be apples savior in the future

osaga · Nov 29, 2012, 02:48 AM

I wish someone would just tell us what the jackass (Forstall) did to deserve what he got. Can't macrumors email some former underlings and get a scoop?

arn · Nov 29, 2012, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osaga

I wish someone would just tell us what the jackass (Forstall) did to deserve what he got. Can't macrumors email some former underlings and get a scoop?

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...-10122011.html

this profile of Forstall might be helpful

arn

Bevz · Nov 29, 2012, 02:51 AM

He's probably a bit biased tho considering he didn't get on with forstall, and I seem to remember it was iOS these guys fell out over... Forstall was the one arguing for an OSX core to iOS which turned out to be a fantastic move! Forstall may have been a horrible person but a lot of people said the same thing about Steve! He clearly had good instincts when it came to iOS! I shall be reserving judgement until I hear more about why he went... I fear they may just be picking off the big personalities and loosing talent... But likewise may be a great move... Dunno... Time will tell.

Switchback666 · Nov 29, 2012, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WatchTheThrone

Reminds me of when Steve Jobs was kicked out of Apple then came back....hhhhmmmm maybe he will be apples savior in the future

These, seems history all over again; i dont blame the guy probably he was forced in a lot of things.

osaga · 03:05 AM

that's a good read, thanks am

colmaclean · Nov 29, 2012, 02:58 AM

NEWSFLASH - bloke who was elbowed out the door thinks it's a good thing that the main elbower has now been elbowed too.

Nevzorus · Nov 29, 2012, 03:01 AM

Not a very big surprise that they cheered. I liked him in the keynotes but that was all.

wikus · Nov 29, 2012, 03:03 AM

I wonder who's idea it was to lock iDevices with iTunes? That guy needs to be fired.

opeter · Nov 29, 2012, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WatchTheThrone

Reminds me of when Steve Jobs was kicked out of Apple then came back....hhhhmmmm maybe he will be apples savior in the future

Yes, you are right. I fully agree.

swingerofbirch · Nov 29, 2012, 03:04 AM

It probably doesn't help that Steve Jobs pitted them against each other.

Merlin9 · Nov 29, 2012, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevzorus

Not a very big surprise that they cheered. I liked him in the keynotes but that was all.

But you seemed to like the product(s) for which he was responsible...
As a customer I don't care who built the products I buy as long as the products are well made...

Dominicanyor · Nov 29, 2012, 03:08 AM

And I thought I had issues.

Lefteous · Nov 29, 2012, 03:11 AM

Well there were two teams at Apple for the iPhone OS. Scott headed the OSX team and Tony the embedded OS (iPod-like) team. As we all know Scott won and I think that was right. I don't think we would have an App Store as we know it.

Mactendo · Nov 29, 2012, 03:15 AM

First the godfather of the iPod left Apple, then Apple fires the godfather of iOS. Such a smart move.

ironsienna · 03:37 AM

It's so easy to turn Forstall into a scapegoat. To all the ignorants that hurray the expel of him and give credit to Fadell, if Fadell was to take the responsibility of the iPhone software, today you would essentially be using a big iPod to do your calls. The operating system would lack expandability, with no APIs borrowed from MacOs, and with limited functionality.

Forstall was the one that managed to port the MacOs into the iPhone turning it into a flexible mobile operating system. A HUGE task...

I can understand that Forstall lately did a lot of mistakes and I am not trying to defend or oppose his leave... Things change, people change... But I get really annoyed when I see some people being so shallow to judge so easily his work and what he has provided to Apple.

macnerd93 · Nov 29, 2012, 03:31 AM

Seems like a little deja vu going on here.

He'll be back at Apple in about 12 years

luqtotheman · Nov 29, 2012, 03:33 AM

I guess high school never ends......-__-

locust76 · Nov 29, 2012, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by luqtotheman

I guess high school never ends......-__-

Join the Army... it's high school with guns.

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Nov 29, 2012, 02:38 AM	#5
opeter macrumors 6502a Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Slovenia (EU)	Hmm ... I thought, Forstall will be the next Steve Jobs. Anyway, he would be still better than this idiot Coock ... __________________ My cartoon hero: www.dangermouse.org
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Nov 29, 2012, 02:58 AM	#12
osaga macrumors regular Join Date: Jun 2012	that's a good read, thanks am Last edited by osaga; Nov 29, 2012 at 03:05 AM.
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Nov 29, 2012, 03:01 AM	#14
Nevzorus macrumors 6502 Join Date: Feb 2012	Not a very big surprise that they cheered. I liked him in the keynotes but that was all. __________________ Black iPhone 4 - 16 GB White iPad 3 - 16 GB
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Nov 29, 2012, 02:36 AM	#2
Negritude macrumors regular Join Date: Jul 2011	"...got what he deserved..." If only every day could be "tell the truth" day.
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Nov 29, 2012, 02:46 AM	#6
Macist macrumors 6502 Join Date: Mar 2009	The thing is if you want to position yourself as number one innovator you can't have institutionalised dinosaurs acting as a obstruction to new talent and fresh thinking. It was clear that despite numerous acquisitions of interesting technology companies and their teams over the past few years, iOS seemed strangely moribund in terms of major innovations. Something was a spanner in the works Turned out it was likely Forstall.
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Nov 29, 2012, 02:48 AM	#7
WatchTheThrone macrumors regular Join Date: Aug 2011	Reminds me of when Steve Jobs was kicked out of Apple then came back....hhhhmmmm maybe he will be apples savior in the future
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Nov 29, 2012, 02:51 AM	#10
Bevz macrumors 6502a Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: UK	He's probably a bit biased tho considering he didn't get on with forstall, and I seem to remember it was iOS these guys fell out over... Forstall was the one arguing for an OSX core to iOS which turned out to be a fantastic move! Forstall may have been a horrible person but a lot of people said the same thing about Steve! He clearly had good instincts when it came to iOS! I shall be reserving judgement until I hear more about why he went... I fear they may just be picking off the big personalities and loosing talent... But likewise may be a great move... Dunno... Time will tell.
	11

Nov 29, 2012, 02:58 AM	#13
colmaclean macrumors 68000 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Berlin	NEWSFLASH - bloke who was elbowed out the door thinks it's a good thing that the main elbower has now been elbowed too.
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Nov 29, 2012, 03:03 AM	#15
wikus Banned Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Planet earth.	I wonder who's idea it was to lock iDevices with iTunes? That guy needs to be fired.
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Nov 29, 2012, 03:04 AM	#17
swingerofbirch macrumors 68020 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Amalgamated States of Central North America	It probably doesn't help that Steve Jobs pitted them against each other.
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Nov 29, 2012, 03:08 AM	#19
Dominicanyor macrumors 6502 Join Date: Apr 2012	And I thought I had issues.
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Nov 29, 2012, 03:11 AM	#20
Lefteous macrumors member Join Date: Aug 2007	Well there were two teams at Apple for the iPhone OS. Scott headed the OSX team and Tony the embedded OS (iPod-like) team. As we all know Scott won and I think that was right. I don't think we would have an App Store as we know it.
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Nov 29, 2012, 03:15 AM	#21
Mactendo macrumors regular Join Date: Oct 2012	First the godfather of the iPod left Apple, then Apple fires the godfather of iOS. Such a smart move.
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Nov 29, 2012, 03:29 AM	#22
ironsienna macrumors regular Join Date: Oct 2010	It's so easy to turn Forstall into a scapegoat. To all the ignorants that hurray the expel of him and give credit to Fadell, if Fadell was to take the responsibility of the iPhone software, today you would essentially be using a big iPod to do your calls. The operating system would lack expandability, with no APIs borrowed from MacOs, and with limited functionality. Forstall was the one that managed to port the MacOs into the iPhone turning it into a flexible mobile operating system. A HUGE task... I can understand that Forstall lately did a lot of mistakes and I am not trying to defend or oppose his leave... Things change, people change... But I get really annoyed when I see some people being so shallow to judge so easily his work and what he has provided to Apple. __________________ My apps: LED Machines MailMe! L2 Driving Theory Test Last edited by ironsienna; Nov 29, 2012 at 03:37 AM.
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macnerd93 macrumors 6502 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: United kingdom	Seems like a little deja vu going on here. He'll be back at Apple in about 12 years __________________ 21.5'' iMac, Power Mac G5 Dual, Apple Studio Display, MacBook Pro, MacBook, Mac minis x2, eMac, Power Mac G4 Graphite, Power Mac G4 QS, iPod 4th Gen Click Wheel, iPad 2, iPhone 4S,
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luqtotheman macrumors regular Join Date: Jun 2012	I guess high school never ends......-__-
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