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Old Nov 29, 2012, 11:56 AM   #26
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when are speaker dock companies going to launch new docks.... (ie iHome)
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 11:56 AM   #27
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Shenzhen China... probably literally next door to where the real ones are made.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 11:59 AM   #28
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I wonder, thenn, what they changed from generation to generation? I got the sense they were discovering details requiring mods to the product. That would imply that something was missing from the earlier ones, or so it would seem.
I don't know the exact details, but they tell me this third generation one has a new metal frame to more closely resemble Apple's design. It also has better durability. The chip inside is the same as the previous generation.

But yes, it is a bit concerning that their still rapidly iterating on their designs. This work should have done before launching at all. Still, I've used their early stuff and it works.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 12:04 PM   #29
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That was a very informative video /sarcasm

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More products for consumers to choose from is always good.
No. App Store.

But in this, and many other cases I agree. No competition is bad and I think licensing deals like the ones Apple makes are borderline anti-trust. $30 for a cable that isn't thunderbolt is obscene. There's no possible way it costs more than a dollar to make a lightning cable.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 12:05 PM   #30
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Cool, but you know what would be even cooler? If iDevices could sync and charge like the iPod Shuffle, through the audio jack. That way, for 99% of people, you would never even need this expensive cable which has some awesome features you'll never use… And the Audio jack is also "reversible" (no wrong way to plug it in), it's strong, and a standard as it is. It's also cheap and easy to manufacture, and no silly chips inside.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 12:15 PM   #31
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That picture of the woman with a soldering iron is why I will not buy any knock offs.
I know Asians tend to look younger, but at 0:36 in the video, it totally looked like at least one underage worker and the cameraman quickly moved the camera away.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 12:24 PM   #32
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Cool, but you know what would be even cooler? If iDevices could sync and charge like the iPod Shuffle, through the audio jack. That way, for 99% of people, you would never even need this expensive cable which has some awesome features you'll never use… And the Audio jack is also "reversible" (no wrong way to plug it in), it's strong, and a standard as it is. It's also cheap and easy to manufacture, and no silly chips inside.
Except there are more than one type of cable for the Shuffle. The charging cable does not match a headphone cable. So there's still some messiness.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 12:27 PM   #33
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I don't have a real concern with this ....

I mean, yes, there's a little more inherent trust in the name-brand cable (or dock), but at the same time, this stuff isn't exactly rocket science.

Someone simply has to figure out how the parts interconnect and get their hands on the appropriate components. After that, it's a matter of finding labor who can put it all together. These days, that labor is essentially coming from the same pool of workers for the "official name brand" items as it is for the knockoffs.

We've already had a defective Lightning cable sold to us directly from the local Apple store -- so their cables aren't foolproof either.


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I've never trusted the "Unofficial" cables and docks...I think products by Belkin and the other appointed manufacturers are the best way to avoid issues with Apple stuff.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 12:32 PM   #34
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Except there are more than one type of cable for the Shuffle. The charging cable does not match a headphone cable. So there's still some messiness.
Sure, it has one more contact, but it's still a lot simpler than the Lightning connector isn't it? I'm not saying there should not be a lightning connector, but it should only be used for special things like accessories and in-car systems, etc… The most important things, like charging and syncing, that people do every single day, don't require such a modern cable that has a built in chip with 8 contacts and dynamic pin reassignment.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 12:44 PM   #35
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Sure, it has one more contact, but it's still a lot simpler than the Lightning connector isn't it? I'm not saying there should not be a lightning connector, but it should only be used for special things like accessories and in-car systems, etc… The most important things, like charging and syncing, that people do every single day, don't require such a modern cable that has a built in chip with 8 contacts and dynamic pin reassignment.
Well, 3rd parties can screw up anything. If they build a Lightning that only charges, that makes it annoying to avoid that as a consumer. But they can make a mess with any cable. What if they put the wires to the wrong contacts in the Shuffle cable? Or you get it confused with someone else's cable that looks the same but only operates their phone, not the Shuffle? Pays to understand and know what you have, as a consumer.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 12:49 PM   #36
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MacRumors seems to think that iPhone5Mod are the only people doing this. You only have to hop onto places like alibaba and you see THOUSANDS of companies offering working Lighting cables - most of these are genuine, with excellent reviews.

Even on Aliexpress there are a number of them, and they are again from pretty reputable sellers with good reviews.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 12:57 PM   #37
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I’m all for having un-approved/unofficial options out there.

I usually buy the Apple version, but not always; sometimes the knock-offs haven’t worked, so I simply return them for a refund. I wouldn’t mail order a knock-off, but I’d give one a try from a local store with a return policy.

Although: with Apple apparently enforcing worker conditions to earn the “Made for iPhone” badge, that badge has gained some new importance for me.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 01:05 PM   #38
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Well, 3rd parties can screw up anything. If they build a Lightning that only charges, that makes it annoying to avoid that as a consumer. But they can make a mess with any cable. What if they put the wires to the wrong contacts in the Shuffle cable? Or you get it confused with someone else's cable that looks the same but only operates their phone, not the Shuffle? Pays to understand and know what you have, as a consumer.
Of course, but what I mean is that maybe then even Apple could sell the cable for far less, so we wouldn't need to turn to 3rd parties… Or no actually I'm sure Apple would charge loads for any cable, no matter how simple it is
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 01:16 PM   #39
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Of course, but what I mean is that maybe then even Apple could sell the cable for far less, so we wouldn't need to turn to 3rd parties… Or no actually I'm sure Apple would charge loads for any cable, no matter how simple it is
Yeah, that'll never happen. I had no problem with $19, though. Bought an extra with my phone this week.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 01:33 PM   #40
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I got one of these on eBay for $10, direct from China. Works like a charm for 1/2 the price. Dunno what people are so worried about. "My phone might blow up," wtf???

Only difference is the white plastic shroud on the Lightning end is significantly larger than Apple's. No biggie.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 01:35 PM   #41
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Wtf

What is this video about?

I have seen a machine huffing and puffing before.

Anyone want to see a video of me going to the bathroom?
Its equally interesting
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 01:35 PM   #42
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So far, all 7 generic cables I bought work just like the original for 1/3 of the price.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 01:54 PM   #43
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No competition is bad and I think licensing deals like the ones Apple makes are borderline anti-trust. $30 for a cable that isn't thunderbolt is obscene. There's no possible way it costs more than a dollar to make a lightning cable.
Where do people keep getting the idea that the Apple Lightning cables are $30?

Go to Apple's online store, or any physical shop that stocks them and you'll find them priced between $19 and $19.99. It's an easy number to check. How do people manage to get it wrong for so long?
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 02:11 PM   #44
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44th post and I guess I'm the only one who is a little bit bothered by the idea that these companies are ripping off Apple's intellectual property. Just because Apple chooses to charge a premium for their product doesn't give anyone a right to clone their technology and sell it cheaper.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 02:14 PM   #45
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I like seeing this.

But then I have a soft spot in me old tattered heart for pirates.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 02:36 PM   #46
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 02:45 PM   #47
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FYI you can buy these cables on Amazon.com for abut $5. I picked up two there yesterday.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 02:49 PM   #48
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you have enough money to buy a iPhone but not enough for a extra cable ?
and if you have a phone you have a plan that cost you how much !!! and a one time $20 thing is to much hahahahaha
if a cheap cable is $10 and a apple is $20 thats only $10 more !!! or even if its $15 more


if you have a iPad 4 then you have spare money cause its not a needed thing since there are lower models ?

yes I would like it to be $10 but when I spend that much money on my phone and plan paying $10 more for a proper cable is not a big deal at that point !
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 02:57 PM   #49
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Am I the only one who thought "Apple II" for a quick second when seeing that computer ?
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Wow... this factory looks like something in the 1970's.... The point being that American factories differ so much from the factories in China.
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