Making this thread to bring up something I've run into one too many times at the Apple store recently.. a lack of knowledge on the part of the geniuses. I'm honestly incredibly tired of being put down and treated like someone who knows NOTHING about my iPhone.
Case 1 : A woman was asking a guy in the store if they had any unlocked iPhone 5s for sale, and he said no we don't offer any iPhone 5s unlocked, sorry. So I decided to help her out by telling her if she can find a store with Verizon ones in stock or even AT&T ones, and as long as she buys the latter outright, they'll be unlocked. The retail guy cut back into our conversation and said "That's not true, you're severely misinformed. I tested a Verizon phone myself and none of them are unlocked. Don't spread rumors." Of course, the woman believed me and thanked me for my help and went to go see if other stores had devices she could purchase outright.
I think both of you are kind of mistaken... the only way to get an unlocked one is buying it at the apple store device only and making it sure the rep don't activate a service plan on it! people have reported in this forums they come unlocked as they are if you push up for this process
the verizon model is unlocked but we all know the LTE limitations it might be a good option for european use
an AT&T one can be easily unlocked with better LTE support for the americas tho'
*EDIT I heard the news you can buy an unlocked phone OFFICIALLY now cool.
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