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Old Dec 7, 2012, 12:57 PM   #76
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No one said anything about forcing anyone on birth control. You are ignoring the results of a scientific study and instead engaging in wishful thinking. Stop it with your absolute, BS, conservative non-arguments and start acknowledging reality.

That's my main problem with conservatives these days- lack of ability to acknowledge facts. Just because you don't like the facts and they don't fit your ideology, does not make them facts any less.
Be a dear and point out where I said it was a bad thing. I'll wait. My only argument is that if you want it, you should pay for it yourself, and if you can't or won't, than maybe you should re-evaluate what you're doing to need it. It's not at all hard.

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why do you ask?
Because I'm guessing it has very little to do with you preventing pregnancy, which runs contrary to your earlier claim that your "birth control" costs $50 a month. Rather, your other non-pregnancy-prevention-related condition is costing you $50 a month.
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Old Dec 7, 2012, 01:03 PM   #77
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Because I'm guessing it has very little to do with you preventing pregnancy, which runs contrary to your earlier claim that your "birth control" costs $50 a month. Rather, your other non-pregnancy-prevention-related condition is costing you $50 a month.
I'm still not entirely convinced that a woman can't get me pregnant. And because my own personal research is ongoing (and quite often), I figure it's better to be safe than sorry.




And now that you're only able to argue semantics, I believe my job is done here.

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Be a dear and point out where I said it was a bad thing. I'll wait. My only argument is that if you want it, you should pay for it yourself, and if you can't or won't, than maybe you should re-evaluate what you're doing to need it. It's not at all hard.
Where did I say you did?

At any rate, you're still engaging in wishful thinking, not acknowledging the facts of this study. "Should" is not reality. It's wishful thinking. And you won't get your wish- not now, not ever. This study points to something that works. Now, you can cry all you want about what "should" happen, but that's not what IS happening, and it won't- because this is not a perfect world.

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I'm still not entirely convinced that a woman can't get me pregnant. And because my own personal research is ongoing (and quite often), I figure it's better to be safe than sorry.




And now that you're only able to argue semantics, I believe my job is done here.
Trying to debate with conservatives is merely a word game anyway. They refuse to acknowledge anything that goes against ideology. Pragmatism is not a word in their vocabulary.

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Old Dec 7, 2012, 01:11 PM   #79
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Be a dear and point out where I said it was a bad thing. I'll wait. My only argument is that if you want it, you should pay for it yourself, and if you can't or won't, than maybe you should re-evaluate what you're doing to need it. It's not at all hard.
If they can't pay for it then they certainly can't pay for a child. And surely you don't think we should let the children who ultimately result from the lack of contraceptives just starve to death? Yet these children are ultimately going to be a much greater burden on the tax payers.

Oh, and to tie back to the orginal topic let me point out that abortions are also quite often financially motivated.
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Because I'm guessing it has very little to do with you preventing pregnancy, which runs contrary to your earlier claim that your "birth control" costs $50 a month. Rather, your other non-pregnancy-prevention-related condition is costing you $50 a month.
My vitamin D intake medium is up over $4 a gallon! [/irrelevant semantics]
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Old Dec 7, 2012, 01:21 PM   #81
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I'm still not entirely convinced that a woman can't get me pregnant. And because my own personal research is ongoing (and quite often), I figure it's better to be safe than sorry.




And now that you're only able to argue semantics, I believe my job is done here.
*is in tears laughing* You m'dear, are my hero.


Mr. Crow, in reference to your comments and questions. Mine's about $50 as well, and I have pretty damn amazing insurance (thank you WB), I need it to stabilize my body (keeps me from having wicked bad cramps) as well as a way to help prevent a relapse of ovarian cancer.

So see Conservative Crow, we lesbians need access to birth control too.
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So see Conservative Crow, we lesbians need access to birth control too.

Then how will we get more lesbians?
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Then how will we get more lesbians?
Don't worry. We'll continue to recruit.

You should see my collection of toasters....
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Old Dec 7, 2012, 02:30 PM   #84
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Then how will we get more lesbians?
What Moyank said, we're all about recruitment. As a friend of mine said (and totally stole from a TV show) "All women are spaghetti lesbians". Plus... if you keep it between us, there is a secret method of making ladybabies. >.> <.<
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What Moyank said, we're all about recruitment. As a friend of mine said (and totally stole from a TV show) "All women are spaghetti lesbians". Plus... if you keep it between us, there is a secret method of making ladybabies. >.> <.<

Damn, I want to be a lesbian now.
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You do realize that in Canada people of Government assistance receive free birth control and even for everyone else it's subsidized by the government? You may want to ask yourself why you are so adamantly against the US doing it when the country where you live and pay taxes in already does it.
In Kommunist Kanada there is no freedom. All wages go straight to the government and you must wait 7 years for cancer treatment.
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In Kommunist Kanada there is no freedom. All wages go straight to the government and you must wait 7 years for cancer treatment.
RIGHT ON, KOMRADE!

IN SOV -- er, KOMMUNIST KANADA, ABORTIONS PREVENT BIRTH CONTROL!
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Damn, I want to be a lesbian now.
You can be an honorary lesbian, like me.

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You do realize that in Canada people of Government assistance receive free birth control and even for everyone else it's subsidized by the government? You may want to ask yourself why you are so adamantly against the US doing it when the country where you live and pay taxes in already does it.
I have not heard of an outright subsidizing of birth control in Canada, the prices are comparable here to what they are in the US. The poor may receive free birth control, but I know this is available in the US as well. Quite frankly, planned parenthood could have continued to offer these services if they weren't so adament about running abortion under the same roof.

If you are living on welfare everything you buy is funded by the tax payer including drugs, ciggs, and alcohol that they free up resources for.

Then again it actually pays to not work in this country, remnants of liberal governance. I know a couple people who have been living in Portugal and collecting baby bonus, and tax return refunds for the past two years and haven't had a job for the last five.
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I have not heard of an outright subsidizing of birth control in Canada, the prices are comparable here to what they are in the US.
Well, condoms are free, at a Chemo clinic I drive people to.

But that's hardly for birth control, more to prevent the exchange of potentially nasty bodily fluids during sex.

For those still willing and able to.
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What Moyank said, we're all about recruitment. As a friend of mine said (and totally stole from a TV show) "All women are spaghetti lesbians".
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Damn, I want to be a lesbian now.
So, it IS a choice?
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So, it IS a choice?
I demand a recount. I'm an unabashed Lesbian.
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So, it IS a choice?
Yup, some women choose to sleep with men.
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Responble women rarely get pregent when they don't want to.
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Yup, some women choose to sleep with men.
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Responble women rarely get pregent when they don't want to.
Please, Doctor, tell us more. I'm assuming responsible men rarely get women pregnant when they don't want to as well?
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Of course the don't, just like sexual assault victims. Women's bodies protect them from contraceptive failure. It keeps them from getting pregnant unless they really want to.
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Minimum wage dictates an hour of work is going to buy you enough condoms to last at least a couple days unless you are running this as a business.
Yea, and when you're working a job like that I'd imagine food would become a priority over condoms.
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Please, Doctor, tell us more. I'm assuming responsible men rarely get women pregnant when they don't want to as well?
If a woman does not want to get pregnant she will take steps to prevent it from happening.
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