Just ordered a refurb iPad, which was shipped from China, so much for that refurb in USA theory.
All the components are over there, why would one set up a facility here?
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Apple's Initial Investment in U.S. Mac Production Estimated to Create 200 Jobs
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Just ordered a refurb iPad, which was shipped from China, so much for that refurb in USA theory.
All the components are over there, why would one set up a facility here?
Nope. Most jobs of the last 40 years already went to the service sector looking for jobs but even those jobs become obsolete when automation takes it over.
Its one crash after the other. Don't believe the hype that this economy will survive.
Obama healthcare?
Do you know how Obama has spent YOUR money?
Since January 1, 2012 the U.S government alone has spent. $50,842,731,716 of taxpayer money, on the War on Drugs".
Since 2001 the U.S government alone has spent. $1,401,006,986,551 of taxpayer money, on the War on Terror". (this includes Bush but if you check the lists you'll see Bush is nothing compared to Obama.)
Tell me how much he cares about the health of the American people? 😀
Have you ever heard a president tell the truth when its country is going down? Think about, question everything. Politics is lying in your face with BS (Bad Science) and since people don't check things the politicians get away with it.
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charlituna
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We don't KNOW that. Folks are assuming such because of current relationships. But until the two parties announce details it isn't fact.
But you are correct that Foxconn's expansion won't be just about Apple. IF this is what Tim is referring to, it will be a fraction of the game. As a fraction yes it could be a low volume item for Apple and who knows what else for the other clients.
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We have few trade schools and way too much push to get all kids to finish high school and not only go to college but do it the very next fall. Rather than letting kids that don't want to go to college go to a training program to learn these type of skills.
dontwalkhand
macrumors 604
The components are still going to be made in china (with the exception of things such as the chip & glass, which we knew were US parts for some time now), no matter where the final assembly point is. You aren't really going to see a quality increase in this, rather, just the same Macs you've already been seeing, if that is what some of you were hoping for.
NT1440
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Given how much flack Apple has gotten for using Foxconn (with little attention paid to Sony, Toshiba, Dell, Panasonic, HP, etc, etc).....PR.
Because it would reduce the growing complaints that an American company should have "some" manufacturing jobs in America.
Nailed it! While I agree 200 is better than none at the end of the day it's still a Chinese company (Foxcon) and most of the money is still sent back to China.
And here I am typing this on my iPhone and my MacBook Air is sitting next to me.
Project SAND all over again?
Jobs had the idea for a factory you poured sand in one end, and got computers out the other. He got the idea from the WayBack Machine.
Jobs had the idea for a factory you poured sand in one end, and got computers out the other. He got the idea from the WayBack Machine.
I can't WAIT for the inevitable...
...posts that endlessly compare the quality of Macs made in the US vs. China. 🙄
...posts that endlessly compare the quality of Macs made in the US vs. China. 🙄
That 200 number is VERY misleading. There will be significantly more downstream jobs created from all of the repairs needed for manufacturing defects.
Now the question is how much Apple/Foxconn are milking from Federal and State Economic Development Corporations. I bet there is a bidding war going on between states to land these 200 jobs.
zap2
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Is it?
Robots aren't "cheaper" in the sense that they cost less per hour. After the upfront cost, they are surely very cheap, as you don't need to pay them by the hour.
I don't think robots being "cheaper" then humans is sad...or at least no sadder then any advance in technology that has changed the way in which we work.
xgman
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KdParker
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HiRez
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Krazy Bill
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There's nothing to wait for. It's a political gimmick - nothing more. How the hell is the U.S. supposed to compete with labor that costs Apple a whopping $1.55/hour?
it's about the quality of the skill sets too
It might sound harsh to most American forum users, but to some extent, Foxconn employees in China works like a robot, and it's hard for American workers to do the same.
What I mean by is this:
If you read Cook's interview, he said it's hard for the skill sets to be imported back to US. It DOESN'T mean Americans aren't skillful in any way, you guys are still the most technologically advanced country in the world... but it's more like... I really can't picture American workers to work physically, like Foxconn employees do...
It's tough. But I'm happy that some jobs are created and Apple is doing what's best for the US as well.
It might sound harsh to most American forum users, but to some extent, Foxconn employees in China works like a robot, and it's hard for American workers to do the same.
What I mean by is this:
If you read Cook's interview, he said it's hard for the skill sets to be imported back to US. It DOESN'T mean Americans aren't skillful in any way, you guys are still the most technologically advanced country in the world... but it's more like... I really can't picture American workers to work physically, like Foxconn employees do...
It's tough. But I'm happy that some jobs are created and Apple is doing what's best for the US as well.
This was an answer to REFURB, which I can guarantee is cheaper the way they are doing it now and there are not enough REFURBS to set up major production for of it.
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See my answer about REFURB.
You took that sentence out of the context of the answer.
Apple has that many employees working in Chicagoland Apple stores. What a joke. Nothing but a front to keep the critics mouths shut.
We're getting to the point where robots are cost effective against cheap labor.
Expect this to happen more in the next 20 years -- people need to realize that cheap manual labor will soon be a thing of the past, and that most if not all blue collar manufacturing jobs will be replaced by automated assembly lines.
Expect this to happen more in the next 20 years -- people need to realize that cheap manual labor will soon be a thing of the past, and that most if not all blue collar manufacturing jobs will be replaced by automated assembly lines.
These kind of discussions are usually filled with emotions and patriotism.
All without thinking through the various stages of the supply chain, each step providing jobs one way or another.
There are American workers in Cupertino, who work on these projects,
administrators in purchasing, accounting, sales service for these products
There are American customs clearance officers, workers unloading freight, freight forwarders, truck drivers, distribution center employees, sales people
etc.etc.
The world has become an interlinked place and corporations have the goal to make money. So, they buy where it's cheapest!
So, do the consumers.
It should all so be made clear that the world is overpopulated and there just cannot be enough jobs for everybody.
(Deduct the unwilling and incapable. Overall a small percentage)
The business climate in USA actually hinders manufacturing. Tax structures,
employment laws, zoning , environmental, education.
With ever changing technology and products the smart thing to do is not own and run a factory, but pay somebody for it.
If it's really 200 jobs, it's not better than nothing. It is nothing!
Until the fundamentals of manufacturing in the US are not changing, this will remain a PR stunt.
Apple can play a role in changing the fundamentals, but over 30 years of letting things slide by industries and governments (i.e. the people) cannot be reversed in a hurry with 200 jobs.
If one analyzes why manufacturing was lost to other countries it will become clear that too many hurdles for manufacturers were put up.
Why hassle with having a factory, when you can sell the same product made
some place for the almost same margins.
Assembly line work is hard work. (I happen to be in the contract industry) and
any time something is hard in America, people want to turn to somebody whom they can blame for the situation.
Any assembly line worker who manages to make money with 2 or even 3 jobs, spouse working too wants to make sure that her/his child has a better life.
So, guess what? They do not want their children to become assembly workers.
There are so many facets to this issue that it cannot all be discussed in this forum.
Rarara, jobs for America is not the solution.
Americans have over decades become consumers who don't want to sweat, get dirty and if at all possible want to have somebody else do the work.
Americans want to "service" or "manage" , be creative, run businesses, yet the base (as in education) is lacking.
The so called craftsmen, contractors employ are in the majority from other countries, the harvests in many parts of the country is brought in by the latinos
and working with ones hands as an American is not as widespread as it should.
When there is a task that requires physical labor, Americans need a machine.
When it gets hot they need air conditioning, etc.etc.
OSHA help, I had to bend three times in a row and now my back hurts.
Workers who come here from other developing countries are not spoiled and will do whatever a job requires.
This entitlement generation will not work on assembly lines!
People just be honest. Which of you posters would?
But, I am sure you'll want other Americans to do that.
It's good for Americans to get manufacturing jobs?
Would be nice, if they wanted them at the prevailing wages.
Even there the States and government can't agree.
The entire system has so many flaws that I find it funny that we expect Apple to be the cure all, just because it is(for the moment) a successful company.
All without thinking through the various stages of the supply chain, each step providing jobs one way or another.
There are American workers in Cupertino, who work on these projects,
administrators in purchasing, accounting, sales service for these products
There are American customs clearance officers, workers unloading freight, freight forwarders, truck drivers, distribution center employees, sales people
etc.etc.
The world has become an interlinked place and corporations have the goal to make money. So, they buy where it's cheapest!
So, do the consumers.
It should all so be made clear that the world is overpopulated and there just cannot be enough jobs for everybody.
(Deduct the unwilling and incapable. Overall a small percentage)
The business climate in USA actually hinders manufacturing. Tax structures,
employment laws, zoning , environmental, education.
With ever changing technology and products the smart thing to do is not own and run a factory, but pay somebody for it.
If it's really 200 jobs, it's not better than nothing. It is nothing!
Until the fundamentals of manufacturing in the US are not changing, this will remain a PR stunt.
Apple can play a role in changing the fundamentals, but over 30 years of letting things slide by industries and governments (i.e. the people) cannot be reversed in a hurry with 200 jobs.
If one analyzes why manufacturing was lost to other countries it will become clear that too many hurdles for manufacturers were put up.
Why hassle with having a factory, when you can sell the same product made
some place for the almost same margins.
Assembly line work is hard work. (I happen to be in the contract industry) and
any time something is hard in America, people want to turn to somebody whom they can blame for the situation.
Any assembly line worker who manages to make money with 2 or even 3 jobs, spouse working too wants to make sure that her/his child has a better life.
So, guess what? They do not want their children to become assembly workers.
There are so many facets to this issue that it cannot all be discussed in this forum.
Rarara, jobs for America is not the solution.
Americans have over decades become consumers who don't want to sweat, get dirty and if at all possible want to have somebody else do the work.
Americans want to "service" or "manage" , be creative, run businesses, yet the base (as in education) is lacking.
The so called craftsmen, contractors employ are in the majority from other countries, the harvests in many parts of the country is brought in by the latinos
and working with ones hands as an American is not as widespread as it should.
When there is a task that requires physical labor, Americans need a machine.
When it gets hot they need air conditioning, etc.etc.
OSHA help, I had to bend three times in a row and now my back hurts.
Workers who come here from other developing countries are not spoiled and will do whatever a job requires.
This entitlement generation will not work on assembly lines!
People just be honest. Which of you posters would?
But, I am sure you'll want other Americans to do that.
It's good for Americans to get manufacturing jobs?
Would be nice, if they wanted them at the prevailing wages.
Even there the States and government can't agree.
The entire system has so many flaws that I find it funny that we expect Apple to be the cure all, just because it is(for the moment) a successful company.