dukebound85
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That is irrelevant. If there is no need for them to be off, then there is no need to have this rule. Not sure why you are arguing this point.
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U.S. Senator Promising Legislative Action Allowing In-Air Use of Electronic Devices if FAA Doesn't Act
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That is irrelevant. If there is no need for them to be off, then there is no need to have this rule. Not sure why you are arguing this point.
shenan1982
macrumors 68040
Chip NoVaMac
macrumors G3
I am with you here... I am all for limiting use of headphones during takeoff and landings under the premise of "safety" - but limiting use of an iPad for reading or silent gaming, and use of Nook type readers is a bit much...
PaperQueen
macrumors 6502
Bingo.
All I want to do is read my newspaper and magazines---all of which are on my iPad---regardless of whether we're at 10,000+ feet or rolling along the tarmac.
Ah, to have the West Wing episode on my laptop so I could watch Toby chew out an FA, defending the use of his cheapo Radio Shack flip phone after the cabin door closed.....
OtherJesus
macrumors 6502
Krazy Bill
macrumors 68030
The U.S. is broke, can't do a budget and only a few days left before Congress says bye for Xmas.
Glad we have our legislative priorities in place before then! 😱
Glad we have our legislative priorities in place before then! 😱
opps... someones in trouble *looks at headline*
Just to set the record straight, is this saying trying to overturn the fact you can't use electronics during take-off/landings? or "in-flight" ??
Because i see people all the time using laptops on planes when we travel..
It's only during take-off and landings we can't use them.
Just to set the record straight, is this saying trying to overturn the fact you can't use electronics during take-off/landings? or "in-flight" ??
Because i see people all the time using laptops on planes when we travel..
It's only during take-off and landings we can't use them.
Someone told me the real reason that they prohibit use of electronic devices during takeoff and landing is so they have everyone's attention in case of an emergency. Not sure about the validity of that, but it sounds like a good enough reason for me.
Oh please. I'm so tired of that argument. There are always multiple issues, big and small, on a local scale, national scale, international, etc. affecting millions of different people Have you ever heard of multitasking?
iLilana
macrumors 6502a
RevTEG
macrumors 65816
As a frequent flyer I see no problem having my devices on airplane mode. Besides its just until your above 10K feet for most devices. That's not very long. You're stuck in a flying tube for the duration of the flight anyway. What's waiting a few minutes going to hurt?
And as far as cell phones being used while in flight.. That would be awful. And people complain about kids crying. Just think about all the noise...
And as far as cell phones being used while in flight.. That would be awful. And people complain about kids crying. Just think about all the noise...
Actually it's not the use of one or two devices that could cause problem, but the use of 180+ devices in the mean time in a metal cage confined area (mainly if they do have Wifi, Bluetooth and GPS, just like most of the recent devices).
That's why before to claim it is not dangerous (or it is dangerous, it goes both way), I'd like to see the report of studies they base their opinions (from both side). I'd like to see real tests that can guarantee there's no danger and then it will prove to FAA and Airlines that indeed we can finally all use our electronic devices (no more endless discussions, because without studies, anyone can claim anything but nobody can prove it wrong).
That's why before to claim it is not dangerous (or it is dangerous, it goes both way), I'd like to see the report of studies they base their opinions (from both side). I'd like to see real tests that can guarantee there's no danger and then it will prove to FAA and Airlines that indeed we can finally all use our electronic devices (no more endless discussions, because without studies, anyone can claim anything but nobody can prove it wrong).
Chip NoVaMac
macrumors G3
The rule as I understand it is that devices have to remain off till the flight reaches 10,000ft - normally about 15 to 20 minutes after takeoff. Though I have been on flights that it has been as long 30+ minutes on accesent to be able to turn on my iPad or Nook for reading....
Back in the day that a bit more knee room was left so a window seat was not a pain to other passengers this was a cool way to pass the time. Add short connection times and every man for themselves in disembarking the airplane,windows seats have lost their appeal....
Same here. As long as people don't start making calls, chain texting with multiple beeps on their phone etc.
Amazing how daft some passengers can be, playing angry birds with sounds from the speakers.
Flying time = sleeping time !
zhenya
macrumors 604
I suspect that those who think this is a non-issue don't fly very often. The reality is that for frequent flyers, this is a big nuisance. I may be on 3 flights in a given day of flying. At a minimum that's 20 minutes on each end of the flight, or 2 hours that day. If there are delays and you are stuck on the Tarmac or circling to land, that can easily stretch to 40 minutes to an hour or more. If I could just stick in my headphones when I sit down and keep them on until the plane lands, it'd be a much more comfortable experience. The whole schtick is woefully out of date.
bradl
macrumors 603
I'll remind you of that the next time you catch a flight on Hooters Air. 😉
And yes, the airline does/did exist.
BL.
...and why would a fricking politician think they should circumvent FAA and FCC safety review? I would love to see more people turning off electronics a little more often...
A few years ago, a group of engineers from the IEEE flew a portable spectrum analyzer that monitored RF emissions on 37 commercial flights (with FAA permission and the assistance of 3 airlines). They found that between one and four mobile phone call were made per flight and that at least one passenger forget to turn of his or her mobile per flight. Furthermore, they found emissions in the GPS frequencies from PEDs onboard. Their conclusion was that in normal use cases, PEDs will not interfere with aircraft hardware but under worst case situations, a PED can interfere with a aircraft instrumentation. One of the issues pointed is that the FAA and FCC do not co-ordinate their rules. Phones that operate according to FCC limits can produce spurious transmissions in frequencies that encroach on the safety margins of flight equipment. If the US government really wants to allow expanded PED usage, the FCC should introduce into its rules limits for PEDs in aviation equipment frequencies.
Read the article for yourself: "Unsafe at any airspeed?" IEEE Spectrum, March 2006
There are few updated articles:
"Electronic Devices, Airplanes and Interference: Significant Danger or Not?", IEEE Blog post, 18 Jan 2011
"Do Mobile Electronics Really Interfere With Flight? They Could" IEEE Blog post, 3 Feb 2011
We know that PEDs can interfere with aircraft electronics. NASA maintains a database of voluntarily submitted incidents that did not result in a crash. There is a report (ACN 475267) of a Toshiba laptop being used by a person sitting in a certain row (the online report censors the row number) produced RF emissions that caused the VOR needle to spin. The flight attendant had the passenger shut the computer down and the VOR began to operate correctly. The pilot asked the passenger to power it back on and this time the VOR needle indicated a 40º deviation from correct heading. When the passenger shut it back down, the VOR indicated the correct heading and they continued the flight without the computer turned on.
I am not aware of any accidents being caused by a PED so far (but that doesn't mean one hasn't happened).
One thing I haven't seen in this discussion so far (although the discussion is about PEDs in general) is the effects on the cellular system of mobile phone use in air it is my understanding that a large number of people using mobiles while in flight will wreck havoc on the cellular system. The current system is designed for people using phones in cars with highway speeds. An airplane travels much faster and the call will transfer from tower to tower rapidly and a large volume of these rapid transfers could take down the cellular system. This is why picocells are needed to use mobiles on commercial aircraft (but I don't have a cite for this).
Read the article for yourself: "Unsafe at any airspeed?" IEEE Spectrum, March 2006
There are few updated articles:
"Electronic Devices, Airplanes and Interference: Significant Danger or Not?", IEEE Blog post, 18 Jan 2011
"Do Mobile Electronics Really Interfere With Flight? They Could" IEEE Blog post, 3 Feb 2011
We know that PEDs can interfere with aircraft electronics. NASA maintains a database of voluntarily submitted incidents that did not result in a crash. There is a report (ACN 475267) of a Toshiba laptop being used by a person sitting in a certain row (the online report censors the row number) produced RF emissions that caused the VOR needle to spin. The flight attendant had the passenger shut the computer down and the VOR began to operate correctly. The pilot asked the passenger to power it back on and this time the VOR needle indicated a 40º deviation from correct heading. When the passenger shut it back down, the VOR indicated the correct heading and they continued the flight without the computer turned on.
I am not aware of any accidents being caused by a PED so far (but that doesn't mean one hasn't happened).
One thing I haven't seen in this discussion so far (although the discussion is about PEDs in general) is the effects on the cellular system of mobile phone use in air it is my understanding that a large number of people using mobiles while in flight will wreck havoc on the cellular system. The current system is designed for people using phones in cars with highway speeds. An airplane travels much faster and the call will transfer from tower to tower rapidly and a large volume of these rapid transfers could take down the cellular system. This is why picocells are needed to use mobiles on commercial aircraft (but I don't have a cite for this).
I fly a LOT and books come in handy...as does sleeping, talking, sitting quietly, etc.
IJ Reilly
macrumors P6
That book is probably heavier than an iPad, but that's besides the point. Which would you rather have me do during takeoff and landing - talk, maybe loudly since the engines and wing flaps are making a lot of noise at those times, or listen to music on my phone with my headphones on? I'd rather be listening to music, because it helps to settle my nerves more, but if you would rather have me talk, maybe to you, I'm all for it.
