Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
It is alright. The Intel P4000 is available on certain LGA 1155 based models and it has the certified drivers, etc.
Any actually difference from the HD 4000 besides getting it certified? None.
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Any actually difference from the HD 4000 besides getting it certified? None.
Oh I get that, it was more to the point that Autodesk are happy enough with the underlying hardware, so to just dismiss it out of hand is not entirely fair.
Lone Deranger
macrumors 68000
Assuming Apple does indeed give us a 2013 Mac Pro, what would Intel be able to bring to the table? Is there anything out there at all that warrants a proper upgrade? A nice 8 or 10 core Xeon at 2.93Ghz? What's the roadmap?
At times it seems as if the race for the fastest CPU has been all but abandoned for the race to the most power efficient CPU. 😕
At times it seems as if the race for the fastest CPU has been all but abandoned for the race to the most power efficient CPU. 😕
Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
That is not really the case for Xeon. I have read that Intel is interested in bringing out a +150W Xeon bin for people that really want the power.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...xt_Gen_Xeon_Core_Extreme_Microprocessors.html
You see 150W there but there is even the chance to just unlock the limiters and push it higher/hotter. 10 cores for Ivy Bridge-E Xeon and maybe even 12 cores.
chrmjenkins
macrumors 603
8 core is likely.
The race for fastest CPU hasn't been abandoned. It's just shifted into a race for the fastest modular unit that can scale to a many core system. Still provides for an overall faster CPU.
The short of it was that branch prediction units and ALUs got so complex that they couldn't squeeze any more IPC out of it so they had to start ask the coders and compilers to parralelize their code.
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Lone Deranger
macrumors 68000
Thanks Eidorian and chrmjenkins. 12 core CPUs sounds fantastic! 😱
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Gosh, I wish that they would hurry up with that. Maya, my main 3D app is in so many ways still single threaded. It's painful to watch on a 12-core MP.
thekev
macrumors 604
I wonder what the decibel level would be like if they crammed those into blade servers😎.
I don't think they certified the HD3000 at all, so that may be a good sign for Intel.
Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
That would depend on the cooling. I would expect it to see it in a very specialized role or in a liquid cooled workstation that needed to be dedicated, local, overkill levels of computing power.
You might have some trouble so watch videos on Facebook (photos should be OK most of the time if you don't listen music in the same time).
So I'd recommend you to resell or trade it for a new model and everything should be fine... well everything but Twitter, but that's another story (maybe in 2014?).
PS: Just kidding too 😉
alfistas
macrumors regular
What a ridiculous statement! You seriously think the world is black and white? Where people can either go for puny integrated graphics or $10.000 worth of workstations?? 🙄
Ice Dragon
macrumors 6502a
Why is called Intel HD 4600 and not Intel HD 5000? Also Haswell is taking 1600MHz memory as well not higher?
alfistas
macrumors regular
I don't understand your comment... 😕
Also why do people think that by CAD I was reffering to Autocad??? Autodesk products are very expensive so most medium size firms opt for cheaper options...
Spring 2013, give a few months for Apple to get around building something for them, we should see new iMacs sometime around February 2014.
Woodcrest64
macrumors 65816
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
Wasn't T-Bolt supposed to solve the "docked scenario" problem?
Just put a PCI-e discrete card with uber-GiB of VRAM into the docking station....
Oops. Vaporware.
thekev
macrumors 604
I hope to see more gpu leverage. It could be great in terms of cost to performance ratio, but that route is memory bottlenecked when it comes to raytracing with mapped textures, and you can't map them directly to virtual memory with any OpenCL or CUDA based renderer.
That is why I'd never buy something with thunderbolt in anticipation of peripheral devices. I don't worry about these things unless the capability is already there. I'd argue that Apple got what they wanted from it. The initial single port implementation took over a mini displayport connection. The second port on some machines displaced ports that Apple wouldn't have implemented anyway due to Apple's prioritization. I don't really agree with shaving .2" and axing ethernet, but I don't think lack of thunderbolt would have prevented this.
Hopefully the 13" Retina will get a boost in graphic performance with the HD4600. That is what I am hoping for until then my 2011 iMac will do.
Apple could've easily given this years rMBP 13 a proper quad core 35 watt CPU this year here. But they have to defend that profit margin and give you a reason next year to upgrade to Haswell
Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
The Intel HD 4600 is probably only their GT2 level integrated graphics. It is going to be better than Ivy Bridge but GT3 is the showstopper.
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Ha ha, you haven't been waiting for the iMac 2012 since November 2011... The Haswell iMac at this pace, will be released at the end of 2013, and for me that is not the shortest life cycle ever.
macs4nw
macrumors 601
As there is a good chance that the 15" MBP will be updated late spring, early summer, next year, you may get your wish. And with these HD4600 GPU's, formerly referred to as GT1, GT2 and GT3, graphics performance will take quite a leap forward. The performance of the GT3 is said to have increased up to 100%, compared to Ivy Bridge's HD4000, so even with real-world benchmarks, that should be quite an improvement. Making switching to the power-hungry NVIDIA GeForce discreet graphics less of a necessity for all but the most graphics-intensive applications.
I think apple is finally figuring it out; by updating the products more regularly, they sell more, because people don't feel the need to hold out until the net big thing.
The consumer on the other hand feels that apple has "betrayed" them by updating a product that they just bought. What I cannot possibly understand is why you would care. You knew what you were getting on the day you bought it and you made a conscious decision to trade money for goods.
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This.
AutoCAD 2013 would run fine on the average $500 desktop computer.