LagunaSol
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But you're locked into Google.
Google doesn't care if you're on Android or iOS, so long as you are locked into Google.
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But you're locked into Google.
Google doesn't care if you're on Android or iOS, so long as you are locked into Google.
I'm a Mac user *because* I've worked in IT for the past 16 years. (I went with Linux for a while because I couldn't justify having two different computers at the time, and Macs weren't Intel systems yet.) The biggest thing that got me to switch was being sick of the inconsistencies and instability of Windows in my day to day work. Win 7 seems to have solved most of that, but I still prefer OS X when I can use it, so I do.
I spent most of the first month I had my first MacBook Pro discovering all the little details where Apple did things right with the hardware, and wondering why no Windows PC vendor seemed to have thought of any of them.
Nothing wrong with a decent Android phone these days. It's not *my* preference, but the hate and bile (from fanboys on both sides) is pretty absurd, frankly.
Digital Skunk
macrumors G3
You were syncing it wrong.
Seriously though i would agree. I would never go back to iOS, but I do miss the ease of buying an album or dumping a movie into iTunes, then just dropping my phone/iPod in a dock to get them on the device.
Now, I have to find the song files, and the playlist files and copy them over.
The first tipping point for me was the iPhone 3G vs the EVO. Android phones and the OS smoke a lot of what Apple offers, except for the ecosystem.
I just hope Apple keeps up the work, and improves on their tacky version of the cloud.
Yes! The article is largely moot, but it's a nice talking point about what really separates Apple from the rest of the herd.
LagunaSol
macrumors 601
Because when you're on a silly quest for "market share" by selling $400 computers, you can't afford to.
The whole "locked in" ecosystem is the way it's always been. And it used to be worse, when you couldn't even open up files from different OSs. But you have always had to buy a version of the software specifically ported to your OS, making switching difficult. Although I guess now, with Adobe's subscription based service, that might be changing. So if anything, things are maybe less "locked in" now.
paulsalter
macrumors 68000
just as easy on Android
Mine just syncs any new content over once per day, no manually doing anything, obviously not with DRM's content though
EmpireITtech
macrumors member
I think even you can agree that MS products are hardly ever bought at a MS store, whereas Apple stores draw many many customers....which is what he was saying.
And as much as I hate to admit it, the Apple "ecosystem" is more closed than others.....and I really like Apple products 😀
I agree with this. The bottom line is you are only as locked in as you want to be with any system.
Exactly. Some power users think that "easy to use" means it's watered down for mass consumption. They're too good for that. It's the same snotty attitude that allows them to turn their noses up at iMacs, and for some, Apple at a company. To them, a REAL computer must be tweaked, modified, patched, hacked, customized. No thanks. I have better things to do with my time.
EmpireITtech
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Oh I know and hear ya mate, not saying Macs aren't used in business situations. Just saying that many many jobs require you to use Windows. I do SAP consulting work from the US government, they literally just switched to Win7 like 2 weeks ago from XP. Macs are not even allowed on the base that I work at lol.
ctdonath
macrumors 68000
So it is with any infrastructure.
Nobody whines about a "Microsoft tax", even though M$ survives in large part because leaving that ecosystem is hard - just that the M$ ecosystem is now so large that the fact that it is an ecosystem is overlooked. Linux isn't easy to transition from either. Sony tried to build a hard-to-leave ecosystem around MemoryStick and ATRAC, but that died out (at least here in the USA) and I'm paying a price for that forced exit.
The fact that changing from one localized status quo to another is hard and pricy in no way makes the cost a "tax".
F1 Fan
macrumors regular
Wherever possible every company will try to make sure that their stuff work just that little bit smoother when used with more of their stuff. Plus, it's easier to achieve when you've made all of it than when you have to factor in what other people have made or will make.
I had the iPhone 3G and now have the 4S but I'm still on Windows 7. I occasionally have a minor issue with the phone but regularly find myself almost screaming at the laptop. Macbook next year...
I had the iPhone 3G and now have the 4S but I'm still on Windows 7. I occasionally have a minor issue with the phone but regularly find myself almost screaming at the laptop. Macbook next year...
I second that, at least up until vista and leopard. But this guy specifically compared the iphone having less buttons (i.e. one) than a windows pc, not os x to windows. OS X has pretty much the same "buttons" as windows. And he's supposed to be studying to be a lawyer... Even for a lawyer this is just a tad too much bs to handle.
That could be the case. 🙂 Although I 've seen 50 year old lawyers coming up with much worse. But like you said reporters can do wonders with other people's words.
You don't have to be locked in...
Which parts of the Apple ecosystem locks one in?
I have never purchased any video content (and never would. I'm okay with subscription services like Neflix and Hulu, but have no interest in purchasing video one off).
I have purchased very little music from iTunes. Maybe half a dozen albums? Hopefully they are DRM free, but not sure. 99% of my music is imported from CDs imported as MP3s and so portable to any other platform.
Other than that, what locks one in?
All e-mail, calendar, and contact data is exportable and portable to any other system.
The only thing that "locks" me into continuing to use Apple products is the continued convenience. I appreciate the ability to easily sync music and pictures between my phone and my computer and the quick sync of PIM data between phone/cloud/computer.
But I could easily port back to google services or use Exchange based services and I'm sure I could figure out syncing music and pictures with an Android device. But I like the way the Apple stuff works.
It's true, I've intentionally avoided iTunes content to remain portable, even though I don't have any intention of moving away from Apple. But I definitely don't like the idea of not having that option. But, I would argue, you only get locked in if you let yourself. It's not difficult to avoid and remain portable.
YMMV.
Cheers.
Which parts of the Apple ecosystem locks one in?
I have never purchased any video content (and never would. I'm okay with subscription services like Neflix and Hulu, but have no interest in purchasing video one off).
I have purchased very little music from iTunes. Maybe half a dozen albums? Hopefully they are DRM free, but not sure. 99% of my music is imported from CDs imported as MP3s and so portable to any other platform.
Other than that, what locks one in?
All e-mail, calendar, and contact data is exportable and portable to any other system.
The only thing that "locks" me into continuing to use Apple products is the continued convenience. I appreciate the ability to easily sync music and pictures between my phone and my computer and the quick sync of PIM data between phone/cloud/computer.
But I could easily port back to google services or use Exchange based services and I'm sure I could figure out syncing music and pictures with an Android device. But I like the way the Apple stuff works.
It's true, I've intentionally avoided iTunes content to remain portable, even though I don't have any intention of moving away from Apple. But I definitely don't like the idea of not having that option. But, I would argue, you only get locked in if you let yourself. It's not difficult to avoid and remain portable.
YMMV.
Cheers.
Wrong!
No one has to buy into Apple's ecosystem and get stuck in it. There are many, many other options available... Google and Amazon both have content apps for iOS.
The only thing you're locked into are the apps, but that applies to EVERY platform. If I buy an Android app, can I use it on my new iPhone? No.
Why should Apple make their products easy to work with others? Where else in the industry does this happen?
Can I play XBox games on my PS3?
Can I use Ford parts in my GM?
Can I run Android apps on my Nokia?
Can I use Schick razors on my Gillette razor?
Does Samesung make TouchWiz available to HTC users?
Apple sells hardware products. They provide services and content to their customers, not to the rest of the world. What kind of business sense would it make to remove the thing that you're using to set your products apart from the rest of the industry?
This. And as someone pointed out, the Apple ecosystem "lock" is no different than having an Android phone for a year or two and not wanting to switch to Apple because of all you've invested in the Android ecosystem with apps and whatnot. It's not Apple's fault they make such a convenient iCloud sync system, but it also isn't a 2-year cellular contract, with a little effort one can switch their calendars, contacts, etc. between ecosystems without much frustration.
Naive?? I don't think you're using that word correctly. What's naive in what I said? Again, check the definition, it doesn't match for how you're using it against my post.
What does having a "Real Job" have to do with your post against Apple and OS X? There are plenty of companies that use Macs and the Mac OS for their real jobs such as professional recording studios, you know, like the ones most of the music you listen to comes from? Windows is hardly used in the recording industry and graphics artist use Macs for the sole profession. There are other "Real Jobs" out there besides the ones where a Suit and Tie are required while walking up and down wall street. 😉 As far as what I see here, most people are installing Windows on their Mac to play games. Doesn't sound like they are using Windows for much of anything really serious.
Windows 7 is good but being as flawless as OS X? Nah.
Well lets be honest, since ip5 came out, market share is starting to increase again. But that's not the point developers are aiming for.
From what I've read, heard and watched over the past few years is that apple users, inside the apple ecosystem, tend to spend more money on purchased apps as opposed to google users who prefer the use of free apps.
In addition, apple has x amount of users in place with one click purchases and linked credit cards (as per every single bloody keynote numbers update cladding).
If I was a dev, I'd be shooting for iOS, if not for all of the reasons above then for the lack of fragmentation in the hardware it runs on. I could name every iOS product from the last three years. One of those years I had an android and use a pc every day, I cant recall all of the android devices out there released over the last three years.
This screams simplicity, lower total cost of development, higher margins and developer happiness (despite apples stringent approval process)
So overall I reckon devs will stick to iOS for a long time to come (even they are now locked into that ecosystem) and apple should definitely not be developing 'must have' software, especially if their latest releases are anything to go by.
I think you need to get an "iGrip"! 😀. Your post is quite flawed. Firstly iOS isn't "rapidly" losing marketshare. The iPhone 5 and the iPad mini are helping it remain quite stable. Speaking of stability, Android has none. Fragmented OS at it's worse.
Nice one about OS X but you're wrong again. More game developers are turning out the latest major titles on both Windows and the Mac platform. More developers of other softwares, larger and small that used to be Windows-only now run on both platforms. If anything more developers are flocking towards the Mac OS for a number of reasons, here's just a couple of them and marketshare is definitely something developers couldn't care less about:
A smaller used platform such as Mac OS X is something more developers would be attracted to because they would have a much higher chance of getting their applications in the hands of users whereas on Windows it's a major crapshoot if a developer gets his product even noticed, let alone purchased. There's more bit torrenting on Windows then there is on Mac which results in less sales for developers. Microsoft can't even sell Office as it is due to torrenting so they are giving it away on select new PC's either with ads or limited versions of Office.
A company that has more smaller products supporting the larger hardware as Apple does with the iDevices supporting the Mac and iCloud would attract more developers as their applications again would have a higher chance to get noticed and purchased.
Marketshare doesn't attract developers. If that was the case that wouldn't be a smart business model for them to follow.
Jimmy James
macrumors 603
A tax to access apps and content? Content can be transferred to any platform. Apps cannot be crossed between any platform.
This reasoning is bunk and certainly not Apple specific.
This reasoning is bunk and certainly not Apple specific.
You are joking right? People not whining about microsoft compatibility tax? What world are you living in, because surely it's not earth, as you must have noticed the few hundreds of millions of users over the past 15 years constantly whining about overpaying ms... to the extent that the scale turned so much to the other side that ms are now selling an upgrade to their new os for a bit more than apple is selling a few bug fixes to lion and passing it off as a new os on the strength of notes, reminders and... twitter, oh and android style notifications.
And let me remind you also of apple's current clout and size, and how much money they have in the bank, as you might want to reconsider spelling M$ and start spelling $$$apple$$$ instead.