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Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:18 PM   #301
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Of course Google is winning because Google and its partners are more innovative, while Apple is stalling and barely catching up. I bet if Apple put a blinking LED on the front of the iPhone to blink when you have a missed/text like the Galaxy S3 does, Apple Fanbois would sing and praise Apple and call it groundbreaking.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:19 PM   #302
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Reality Distortion Field

Eric's own Reality Distortion Field, only this one is more of just a (board as fffffffk gotta say something to stay relevant) Distortion Field.

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That's like Hyundai bragging about selling more cars than Rolls Royce.....

I'm not saying iOS is a Rolls Royce, but c'mon Eric, be real here.
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Chairman of company says company is the best.

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Market share =/= winning.

There are some great non-iOS smartphones out there, but just because the 20,000 new Android models keep an edge on the single iPhone model every year, doesn't mean that's the reason for it being the better product.

Same logic could be applied to Windows and OS X.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:21 PM   #303
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AT&T didn't carry any Android phones until a couple of years ago. All they had before that for years was iPhones so of course AT&T would have a skewed demographic of iPhone activations.
It was 4-5 months after the first Android phone on Verizon Wireless. And, of course, they had many other smartphones before that. I'm not sure what that has to do with the number of activations last quarter.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:24 PM   #304
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What does that even mean?

By the numbers, Android outsells - it has greater market share.

No amount of wonky "normalization" manipulation can change that fact.

You could just as easily say that the Iphone 5 is the largest selling phone with a 4 inch 1136x640 pixel screen. True that.... But rather meaningless....
There's so many different ways you can measure this. Pure marketshare is nice, but the iPhone's only competition as far as pure profit and numbers sold are the Samsung phones. Even if Android has a larger slice of the OS pie than iOS, the iPhones is still one of the best selling individual phones around. Hell, they eat up 70% of the entire market's profits on the strength of three phones and 3 tablets.

Though marketshare isn't meaningless, contrary to what some people are saying around here. The higher the amount of marketshare something holds, the more visible it is. The more visible something is, the more likely someone will see it, go "hey, that's cool as hell" then buy one for themselves. Apple isn't hurting right now, but they're hardly in an unassailable position here. If they ever start taking their lead for granted, they will eventually lose out to Android and WP.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:32 PM   #305
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It was 4-5 months after the first Android phone on Verizon Wireless. And, of course, they had many other smartphones before that. I'm not sure what that has to do with the number of activations last quarter.
You really don't see how a group of people conditioned for years by AT&T to buy iPhones would just keep buying iPhones? It's called herd mentality.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:35 PM   #306
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You really don't see how a group of people conditioned for years by AT&T to buy iPhones would just keep buying iPhones? It's called herd mentality.
Again, Android debuted on AT&T 4-5 months after Verizon Wireless. That's not a significant difference.

It also ignores that the iPhone activation share on AT&T has continued to grow since Android was introduced.

But we can test the theory over the next year as Verizon Wireless now offers a free iPhone. I'm betting the iPhone is going to be more than 50% of their activations.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:36 PM   #307
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If he is equating the Microsoft Windows vs Mac theory then... you have to wonder after winning the war ... Apple bounced back and its computer shipments are more than PC's.

So will Android eventually start lagging?
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:40 PM   #308
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Apple bounced back and its computer shipments are more than PC's.
I get your point, but this part is not true.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:41 PM   #309
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You really don't see how a group of people conditioned for years by AT&T to buy iPhones would just keep buying iPhones? It's called herd mentality.
Hmm, wouldn't "herd mentality" apply instead to the OS with the majority market share (Android)?

Sheep call others sheep, fail to see the irony.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:42 PM   #310
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Again, Android debuted on AT&T 4-5 months after Verizon Wireless. That's not a significant difference.

It also ignores that the iPhone activation share on AT&T has continued to grow since Android was introduced.

But we can test the theory over the next year as Verizon Wireless now offers a free iPhone. I'm betting the iPhone is going to be more than 50% of their activations.
What if you are wrong? Will you switch over to Android if you lose?
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:43 PM   #311
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What if you are wrong? Will you switch over to Android if you lose?
Do you get a dollar if he does?
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:45 PM   #312
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Hmm, wouldn't "herd mentality" apply instead to the OS with the majority market share (Android)?

Sheep call others sheep, fail to see the irony.
Nope, Android users have choice in what they use. Apple users have conformity.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:50 PM   #313
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Marketshare matters but ultimately - let's cut to the chase - the ecosystem matters most. Because if you can't retain/increase those invested in your ecosystem - you're done.

Apple has a great ecosystem. (They also make a killing on hardware) And had the leg up on competition (Android) from the get-go. But Apple's lead may not last forever given Android's marketshare. Whether you have a cheap free phone or the most expensive - if you invest in an ecosystem, you potentially are a customer for life.

Apple knows this. Amazon knows this. Google knows this. (and others too).

But at the end of the day - while it matters to the stock market - there's enough money and customers to make more than ONE company VERY profitable. And since everyone has a different use case - then it's great that everyone can pick and choose what they want - whether it's a phone, OS, carrier or whatever.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:56 PM   #314
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Nope, Android users have choice in what they use. Apple users have conformity.
Conformity that people love because it works like a charm? (Okay Maps was a debacle that has been fixed now so no more we have google maps dance)
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 04:05 PM   #315
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Nope, Android users have choice in what they use. Apple users have conformity.
Huh? Apple users have choice in what they use as well. They can buy an iPhone, an SIII, or even a Jitterbug if they want to.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 05:14 PM   #316
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Well for sure. Chevy's sell better that Porsche. Does that mean Chevy is better?
IŽd rather have a ZR1 then a GT2/3 so yes, I think it is e.g. I rather have a fast car then a more expensive fast car.

Not only cheaper parts but also better mpg those boxers are thirsty

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I don't have enough money for Apple products, so I've got an Android. And I absolutely love it, it is the best phone I've ever had, if you ignore the issues... such as:

* SMS message rejected due to lack of space (30MB not enough space for 1 SMS? Can't store on SD-Micro?)
* Many apps don't work due to compatibility issues with my handset.
* Slow interface
* Apps crashing

There's definitely something to be said for having limited models that will 100% support the apps you download / purchase. Too many models, inconsistencies and such is the real killer of android.
Yeah those are phone related issues, not so much Android related. And apps crash on ios too.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 05:38 PM   #317
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Obviously you don't own an iPhone.
What makes you say that? My iPhone 5 had the Wi-Fi trouble, the highest security I could use on my Wi-Fi network was WEP before my iPhone couldn't use Wi-Fi at all.

My iPhone 4S has the battery drain issue.
My iPhone 4 suffered from Antennagate.

Not every iPhone "just works".
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 06:12 PM   #318
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Nope, Android users have choice in what they use.
Keep telling yourself that.

Now hurry back to your Google Mail and Google Maps running on Google Chrome via your ad-funded Google OS.

"Choice." You guys are hilarious.

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What makes you say that? My iPhone 5 had the Wi-Fi trouble, the highest security I could use on my Wi-Fi network was WEP before my iPhone couldn't use Wi-Fi at all.
Because I was responding directly to what he said, which was, and I quote:

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Yeah, like how the iPhone always has wifi problems needing you to wipe your phone.
The iPhone does not always have wifi problems. I know these problems exist, but I've not personally experienced it in the 5 iPhones we've owned in my family.

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Not every iPhone "just works".
Of course not. But he implied all iPhones don't work. Wrong. Just more nonsense from the resident MacRumors Android Propaganda Brigade.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 06:25 PM   #319
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Keep telling yourself that.
I could be wrong, but I think the point he was making is that with the iPhone you really you only have 2 choices, which is fine imo.

With Android, you have tons of phones to choose from, cheap, expensive, big screen, small screen, real keyboard, no real keyboard, different versions of Android to pick from, and you can change defult apps and layouts.

In that regard, Android has choice.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 07:16 PM   #320
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I could be wrong, but I think the point he was making is that with the iPhone you really you only have 2 choices, which is fine imo.

With Android, you have tons of phones to choose from, cheap, expensive, big screen, small screen, real keyboard, no real keyboard, different versions of Android to pick from, and you can change defult apps and layouts.

In that regard, Android has choice.
Yes, and Google is thrilled to enable that choice in hardware, just so long as you are locked into their ad-based services.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 08:03 PM   #321
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You either have me on ignore or you keep failing to respond to the fact that I've called you out repeatedly for your B.S.

You keep calling Android fully ad funded. But it's not. Google as a company makes money on more than ads. It also makes money on subscriber based services. So enough hot air about how Android is all funded by ads. It's not. And I only correct you (again) because somewhere there might be someone reading your posts and actually believing your FUD.

Second - if one has an Android device - they are not locked into using gmail, google maps or chrome. This just shows your ignorance and/or you spreading more FUD. Android users can set any app as the default app.

You're the one who is both hilarious and scary (in that someone might believe the crap you're trying to sell here).

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Keep telling yourself that.

Now hurry back to your Google Mail and Google Maps running on Google Chrome via your ad-funded Google OS.

"Choice." You guys are hilarious.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 08:09 PM   #322
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Yes, and Google is thrilled to enable that choice in hardware, just so long as you are locked into their ad-based services.
Have you ever used an Android phone?

No ads in Gmail
No ads built into the broswer
No ads built into the operating system
No ads on maps.
No Ads in my UI
No Ads on the starup screen,

Where are these ads you speak of?

The only ads Ive ever run into on android are on free Apps, and I don't use free apps, so my phone is ad free.

And what do you mean locked into? Your not forced to use Google services or built in Apps if you want to.

Unlike Apple, which won't let you change your defult apps.

And one more thing, as a consumer, why the hell should I care how an OS is funded? I don't care if it comes via ad sales or hardware profits.

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Old Dec 14, 2012, 08:17 PM   #323
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 08:21 PM   #324
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He won't reply. Because he keeps perpetuating his fact-less paranoia over and over in several threads despite having been corrected several times.

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Just more nonsense from the resident MacRumors Android Propaganda Brigade.
OH the IRONY of using the word Propaganda..


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Have you ever used an Android phone?

No ads in Gmail
No ads built into the broswer
No ads built into the operating system
No ads on maps.

Where are these ads you speak of?

The only ads Ive ever run into on android are on free Apps, and I don't use free apps, so my phone is ad free.

And what do you mean locked into? Your not forced to use Google services or built in Apps if you want to.

Unlike Apple, which won't let you change your defult apps.

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