Then I doubt you can afford it.
You've got it the wrong way around. Those who don't calculate the costs of ownership are the ones who really can't afford it.
Then I doubt you can afford it.
You've got it the wrong way around. Those who don't calculate the costs of ownership are the ones who really can't afford it.
I would go nuts if I had to worry so much about these things on such a small scale. If it were a massive purchase of multiple machines for my business I would consider it worth my worry. Not so much when buying one machine for personal use.Exactly. Why bother spending any money at all if resale is all you care about
Honestly
No you're not, not really. The cost of ownership is the price tag + anything you buy for the machine over the time you own it. You can offset the cost of ownership if you resell the item at the end of it's useful life. Useful life is subjective to the user. Regardless, your cost of ownership should only be calculated using the price of the machine + what you buy for the machine over time. Additionally, you would look at possible maintenance, extended warranties, and even electricity if you want to get nit-picky.Im calculating the cost of ownership
I would go nuts if I had to worry so much about these things on such a small scale. If it were a massive purchase of multiple machines for my business I would consider it worth my worry. Not so much when buying one machine for personal use.
No you're not, not really. The cost of ownership is the price tag + anything you buy for the machine over the time you own it. You can offset the cost of ownership if you resell the item at the end of it's useful life. Useful life is subjective to the user. Regardless, your cost of ownership should only be calculated using the price of the machine + what you buy for the machine over time. Additionally, you would look at possible maintenance, extended warranties, and even electricity if you want to get nit-picky.
To be able to answer what the value of a used machine will be in 3 years would be hard because there is no historic data for the retina MBP. If you were to buy a 15" base MBP then we could probably tell you that historically speaking a 15" MBP would sell for a certain amount of money after three years. Examples could easily be shown based on past eBay sales. You're looking to buy a flagship machine (the "leading member" of the group) and since three years have not passed since the retina-MBP has been out, no one can really say one way or the other.
One way you can look at it is check the prices of the retina iPads. Not the price to us, the consumer, but to Apple. How much did they pay per unit with the first retina iPad model? How much for the second? The retina screen throws it off but you can bet that the cost of a 15" retina display today is going to be at least 25-40% less in the next couple of years. SSDs are a great example of this.
If you're dying for a number, I say $800 tops. It will be out of warranty (and out of any possible extended warranty) and I venture to guess (hope) the price of a retina MBP will go down as manufacturing costs decrease.
You've got it the wrong way around. Those who don't calculate the costs of ownership are the ones who really can't afford it.
What on earth are you talking about?!... Maybe for someone with financial issues.
I buy items outright and have no need to worry about their resale value. Once im finished with them i just pass them on to a family member, charity or bin it.
I earn a lot of money and spend it as i please.
This is absolutely absurd.
Lots of people earn lots of money and (aside from taxation and other forms of theft) everyone spends it as they please.
It's been my experience that those who are able to build and keep wealth ALWAYS calculate the costs of ownership, consider resale value, and make rational decisions based on their calculations. It's called being smart with your money, no matter how much you earn and have managed to save. That's all this fellow is doing and he should be commended for it.
----------
You'll get it once you've been around the block a couple more times.
Your experience is wrong.
When you earn a certain amount of money, spending a few thousand on a laptop doesnt require any calculations at all. It has no marginal impact on my financial position.
I bought an ipad mini recently, didnt like the screen so i gave it to my house keeper who gave it to her son. Didnt effect me at all... In fact all it did was put a smile on that boys face.
Your rudeness to other forum users is disgusting.
You'll get it once you've been around the block a couple more times.
Im calculating the cost of ownership
I imagine I have probably "got it" much more than you do, with or without strolling around the block.
Sounds suspiciously like you're looking at this as an investment...which you shouldn't.
the way things are going for apple macbook pro, say I own a 2010 model, as long as the OSX can be updated, with SSD and max Ram size, it could go for 5 years minimum or till the machine goes beyond un repairable.How long do you guys usually keep a laptop before selling it/stop using it?
How long do you guys usually keep a laptop before selling it/stop using it?
How long do you guys usually keep a laptop before selling it/stop using it?
Sure you have some arsenal at your disposal, that will make apple happy. On serious note it is a great ideal to keep the machines at hand, my next venture is get a mac mini.Previous one was 5 years. Paid $1000 as a 2007 refurb and sold it for $250 a few months ago, but that one wasn't my main computer then, the laptop +ATD is now. Will keep the 2011s I bought off of CL and upgraded for a year or two until the rMBP-15 gets 802.11ac, 512GB SSD standard, and a normalized price (in real terms). Will upgrade the wife's cMBP-13 to rMBP-13 at the same time in all likelihood. Then I'll keep that until it can no longer support the stuff I need/want to do, figure that'll be 4-5 years or so, though it could be shorter because you can't upgrade it (which was surely part of Apple's intent).
The thing about Macs is that they tend to work great for a long time, or at least they used to. We still use everything in my sig pretty regularly (though the iBooks are basically fancy toys for the kids).
It won't be worth nearly as much as you think. Maybe a few hundred and that's it. This is v1 technology. In 3 years, the entire MacBook line could have retina displays. So in a few years, one would be able to get a new 'retina' MBP for a lot less than one can today.
That's the price you pay for being an early adopter.
I try to go at least 5 years. My previous MB lasted me nearly 6 years.
What on earth are you talking about?!... Maybe for someone with financial issues.
I buy items outright and have no need to worry about their resale value. Once im finished with them i just pass them on to a family member, charity or bin it.
I earn a lot of money and spend it as i please.
Im calculating the cost of ownership
You should also factor in that the usable life of a Mac far outreaches a PC. If your usage pattern does not significantly change the machine may well offer 4-5 years of solid usability, which is pretty common for a Mac under average use. Those making revenue from their Mac`s changing frequently, increasing productivity makes a lot of sense sense.
A Mac is not about having the latest, biggest numbers, a Mac is about enjoying the experience, the efficiency. i have Mac`s from 2012, 2011, & 2008 and they all perform great, the Early 2008 15" 2.4 Penryn MBP is starting to show it`s age, equally it`s still more than capable of fulfilling the basics smoothly without any fuss with over 35K operating hours on the clock, stock barring RAM expansion. The value, well it`s more than paid for itself, when the time comes i will simply gift it.
As for resale any Mac will retain a greater percentage of value, versus a PC, after 3 years i would estimate 40% - 50%, equally you can buy smart, an Apple refurb of an "open box" from best buy, save on the top end and your resale in 3 years wont suffer
What is your point for Americans and Canadians being rich or poor ?Damn this got me to wonder what will the base price for rmbp be next year... $1800 for the 15"? Meaning $1600 with student pricing?
I live in Canada, by next year 1 CDN will likely to be able to buy 1.50$ USD anyway... With the pace of economic downturn and currency debasement that you Americans experiencing
----------
Not so fast fool... Canadians are richer than you Americans. Keep digging deeper into debts!
What is your point for Americans and Canadians being rich or poor ?
I live in Canada, by next year 1 CDN will likely to be able to buy 1.50$ USD anyway... With the pace of economic downturn and currency debasement that you Americans experiencing
----------
Not so fast fool... Canadians are richer than you Americans. Keep digging deeper into debts!
Im calculating the cost of ownership