Dec 20, 2012, 08:43 AM  #1601 
Zenit fans showing that they are still stuck in the 19th century by demanding a white only team: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20770678
Should be interesting for Johnson and Sterling when Liverpool travel there for their Europa Cup tie. 

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Dec 20, 2012, 09:09 AM  #1602 
Ajax have drawn Steaua Boekarest.
I remember Steaua Boekarest for the most negative football cup final I have ever had the miss fortune to watch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_European_Cup_Final
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Dec 20, 2012, 09:47 AM  #1603 
@ Happybunny: just received an email from the UEFA: if you, or anybody else, are interested in the EL final in Amsterdam: they started selling tickets (about two days ago, or so).


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Dec 20, 2012, 09:54 AM  #1604 
I'll be on holiday in the USA/Canada at that time.I mean the date of the Final in May 2013.
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Dec 20, 2012, 09:56 AM  #1605 
Bayern Munich...yay
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Dec 20, 2012, 08:35 PM  #1606 
I am not a friend of conspiracy theories, but did anybody here about the election of the CL pairs?
The BBC was there, when they did a test run and the result was the same as the result that was later drawn out of the bowls live. "Der Spiegel" has calculated that the chance of that happening twice is (that all pairs match) is 1:5400 something. 

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Dec 21, 2012, 02:14 AM  #1607  
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Dec 21, 2012, 02:27 AM  #1608 
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Dec 21, 2012, 02:57 AM  #1609 
Loting kwartfinales KNVBbeker
Vitesse  Ajax PSV  Feyenoord FC Den Bosch  AZ PEC Zwolle  Heracles Almelo To be played on the last weekend of January weather permitting. PEC stand a really good chance of progressing to the next round. But the really tasty duels are Vitesse/Ajax and PSV/Feyenoord.
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Dec 21, 2012, 03:26 AM  #1610  
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Dec 21, 2012, 03:33 AM  #1611 
Care to share the equation? I assume you respected all the limiting factors (group leaders will play away first, no teams from the same country can play against each other etc.)?


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Dec 21, 2012, 03:34 AM  #1612  
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Ok, I got 1 in 17088 Here's my logic. Firstly, (for the curious) my original incorrect calculation of 1 in 2,027,025 came from simply the number of ways to pair up 16 teams when order is unimportant. The formula would be 16!/(8! * 2^8). Now, we know that the 16 teams are actually separated into 2 groups of 8, and then 1 team from each group are drawn together. If you ignore country restrictions then the number of ways this can be done is 8! = 40320. Now, how about the country restrictions. There are 6 possible matchups that would violate the country restrictions, although some are mutually exclusive. Let's label them: A = Malaga vs Real Madrid B = Malaga vs Valencia C = Juventus vs Milan D = Barcelona vs Real Madrid E = Barcelona vs Valencia F = Man U vs Arsenal Now, we need to know how many of those 40320 ways do not contain any of the 6 above matchups. The easiest way to do it, is to count how many of the 40320 ways do include at least one of those matchups, and then subtract that number from 40320. That is, how many arrangements in the set A union B union C union D union E union F? Using the inclusion/exclusion principle, the size of this union is equal to the sum of the sizes of all the singletons  the sum of the sizes of all the pairwise intersections + the sum of the sizes of all the triple intersections  the sum of the sizes of all the quad intersections + the sum of the sizes of all the 5event intersections  the sum of the sizes of all the 6event intersections. Lets start at the end. Since there are two teams that appear in 2 different events, there is no way that all 6 events can ever happen simultaneously, likewise for any 5 of the 6. There are 4 different combinations of 2 of the listed matches occurring simultaneously: ACEF, BCDF and each of those can occur in 4! ways since the other 4 matches are free to be drawn in any order. There are 8 different combinations of 3 of the listed matches occurring simultaneously, and each of those can occur in 5! ways. There are 11 different combinations of 2 of the listed matches occurring simultaneously, and each of those can occur in 6! ways. Each of the 6 individual listed matches can occur in 7! ways. Thus, the number of ways in which at least one of the 6 listed matches occurs is: (6*7!)(11*6!)+(8*5!)(2*4!)+(0*5!)(0*6!) = 23232 Thus, the number of valid ways (in which none of those 6 matches occur) is 4032023232 = 17088. Last edited by swiftaw; Dec 21, 2012 at 04:34 AM. 

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Dec 21, 2012, 04:15 AM  #1613 
Someone's had their balls in the freezer, I reckon.
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Dec 21, 2012, 04:41 AM  #1614 
Impressive, but I'm no mathemagician, so who knows
Anyway, I should have mentioned as well that the previous eight groupleaders can't play against each other as well. 

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Dec 21, 2012, 04:45 AM  #1615 
Actually, I missed one restriction, that is, that a group leader cannot be drawn against the team that they were in a group with, that reduces the number to
1 in 5463 

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Dec 21, 2012, 08:31 AM  #1616 
Something is 63?
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Dec 21, 2012, 08:54 AM  #1617 
This should be very interesting, after the winter stop here in the Netherlands it will be an automatic yellow card for protest at the referee.
I can see some heated matches ending with quite a few players having an early shower. http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archive...tomatic_fo.php http://nos.nl/artikel/454292knvbme...jprotest.html
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Dec 21, 2012, 10:32 AM  #1618 
They'll learn as Rugby players learnt.
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Dec 21, 2012, 04:22 PM  #1619 
***** hell Jaffa if you keep this up you're in danger of a place in the "best league in the world".


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Dec 21, 2012, 04:27 PM  #1620 
Can you run some exclusions on the Mayan calendar calculations and possibly come up with a new date whilst you're at it please?


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Dec 22, 2012, 02:06 AM  #1621  
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If we keep this up, it won't be long before the pundits start taking notice of us and begin saying we don't deserve a place in the Premier League...
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Dec 22, 2012, 03:39 AM  #1623 
Actually, Bruce has got us playing some rather lovely stuff at the moment. But the Premier League isn't for the likes of us.
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Dec 22, 2012, 05:01 AM  #1625 
That's what I have seen in highlights shows but the stereotype is hard to get away from especially as it is an easy headline for lazy, mainly London based journalists. Best man at my wedding is a big smoggie and he fears Hull more than Cardiff...


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