iPhone: JB scene essentially dead...?

[Krafty]

Originally Posted by Applejuiced

LMAO
92 times? Damn it, that's why there's no JB? I tappped 93 by accident and nothing happened.

Did I write 92? I'm sorry.

I meant you have to do it π amount of times.

[Dwalls90]

Okay serious inquiry.

To what extent would community members be interested if a kick-starter WAS created?

Essentially, this is how it would go down:

The kick-starter is created, and money would be pooled from any interested parties in developing an exploit.

Hopefully, an exploit would be discovered, at which point it would be transferred to the existing JB devs, who upon verification of the exploit, would implement it into their existing tools. This would save the exploit finder from having to mess with UI, app construction, ect. Plus, the additional cooperation and team component should produce the best end-result. If the exploit is deemed valid, the exploit "detective" would be compensated with the kick-starter fund.

[ACardAttack]

Originally Posted by Dwalls90

Okay serious inquiry.

To what extent would community members be interested if a kick-starter WAS created?

Essentially, this is how it would go down:

The kick-starter is created, and money would be pooled from any interested parties in developing an exploit.

Hopefully, an exploit would be discovered, at which point it would be transferred to the existing JB devs, who upon verification of the exploit, would implement it into their existing tools. This would save the exploit finder from having to mess with UI, app construction, ect. Plus, the additional cooperation and team component should produce the best end-result. If the exploit is deemed valid, the exploit "detective" would be compensated with the kick-starter fund.

I'd donate

[Applejuiced]

I'd kick in too.
But I think there is plenty of incentive by Saurik also behind the scenes to get millions of new devices and people to use cydia again. He has plenty to kick in and promise to JB authors.
Besides the donations after the fact the JB creator or group does make up well in the end.
I dont think its that they lack money or motivation its obviously getting a lot harder IMO.

[Siggen]

This has probably been said before in this thread but it bares repeating.
We always get threads like this, in the many, and then the newest device gets a jailbreak and people forgot about the time when they did not have a jailbreak.

Its almost sad how history repeats, over and over again.

To pass the time I usually activate my Apple account and program for my device.

[Mr Fusion]

Originally Posted by Applejuiced

I'd kick in too.
But I think there is plenty of incentive by Saurik also behind the scenes to get millions of new devices and people to use cydia again. He has plenty to kick in and promise to JB authors.
Besides the donations after the fact the JB creator or group does make up well in the end.
I dont think its that they lack money or motivation its obviously getting a lot harder IMO.

To me the issue doesn't seem to be one of motivation or money but manpower. Just a handful of people working on this with no fresh/new minds on the case. I think there are others who could help immensely with this project, but the guys in the know are very distrusting of outsiders. This helps and hurts their cause.

I honestly wish I knew something about programming and security. It's frustrating being on the outside looking in with no means to help.

[Siggen]

Originally Posted by Mr Fusion

To me the issue doesn't seem to be one of motivation or money but manpower. Just a handful of people working on this with no fresh/new minds on the case. I think there are others who could help immensely with this project, but the guys in the know are very distrusting of outsiders. This helps and hurts their cause.

I honestly wish I knew something about programming and security. It's frustrating being on the outside looking in with no means to help.

The iOS hackers handbook is a good start. It will hold you in the hand a good step, but after the book you need to jump out in the water to continue.

[Applejuiced]

Originally Posted by Mr Fusion

To me the issue doesn't seem to be one of motivation or money but manpower. Just a handful of people working on this with no fresh/new minds on the case. I think there are others who could help immensely with this project, but the guys in the know are very distrusting of outsiders. This helps and hurts their cause.

I honestly wish I knew something about programming and security. It's frustrating being on the outside looking in with no means to help.

I agree.
I think the more people the better.
But noone is stopping anyone from looking for exploits, you dont need anyones assistance to start working on ios penetration.

[Dwalls90]

Originally Posted by Applejuiced

I'd kick in too.
But I think there is plenty of incentive by Saurik also behind the scenes to get millions of new devices and people to use cydia again. He has plenty to kick in and promise to JB authors.
Besides the donations after the fact the JB creator or group does make up well in the end.
I dont think its that they lack money or motivation its obviously getting a lot harder IMO.

I agree but I feel like thousands of dollars may entice the talent to "shift priorities" if you know what I mean. For example, Pod2g is just now restarting his iOS research and exploit development. iOS 6 and the iPhone 5 have been out for months now.

See the issue?

The only problem with kick-starter is that I wonder if Apple could go after the exploit contributor or kick-starter member ...

[hakr100]

"Essentially dead" is an understatement.

[BlindMellon]

Originally Posted by Dwalls90

I agree but I feel like thousands of dollars may entice the talent to "shift priorities" if you know what I mean. For example, Pod2g is just now restarting his iOS research and exploit development. iOS 6 and the iPhone 5 have been out for months now.

See the issue?

The only problem with kick-starter is that I wonder if Apple could go after the exploit contributor or kick-starter member ...

I'm sure Apple would bring it's full weight to bare (in court if necessary) to crush any kick-start jail brake effort. It would not be pretty.

[Dr Sam Beckett]

Originally Posted by BlindMellon

I'm sure Apple would bring it's full weight to bare (in court if necessary) to crush any kick-start jail brake effort. It would not be pretty.

but jailbreaking a phone is already legal... they would have brought the numerous devs to court already whom take donations

[ACardAttack]

Originally Posted by Siggen

This has probably been said before in this thread but it bares repeating.
We always get threads like this, in the many, and then the newest device gets a jailbreak and people forgot about the time when they did not have a jailbreak.

Its almost sad how history repeats, over and over again.

To pass the time I usually activate my Apple account and program for my device.

Last year we at least had heard some news about a release, we havent heard a peep other than 6.1 made it harder to jailbreak

[nStyle]

Sadly, pirates ruin it for everyone.

Apple doesn't try so hard to restrict jailbreaking just so you can't make your device look pretty, they do it for the ability (or inability) to play unauthorized apps.

Pirates have influenced the market though. People pirating say, "Hey, this subscription cable TV service is BS, let me pay for what I want to watch". So many torrent sites gone, and the biggest NZB site just recently got hit. Piracy is becoming more and more a thing of the past, with "pay for what you watch and listen" based models becoming more affordable and attractable. The oldest form of modern day media (reading) got it right from the beginning: pay for what you want to consume.

I could download every specific song I wanted, but with the advent of Spotify, convenience and affordability is king.

[WordMasterRice]

Originally Posted by nStyle

Sadly, pirates ruin it for everyone.

Apple doesn't try so hard to restrict jailbreaking just so you can't make your device look pretty, they do it for the ability (or inability) to play unauthorized apps.

Pirates have influenced the market though. People pirating say, "Hey, this subscription cable TV service is BS, let me pay for what I want to watch". So many torrent sites gone, and the biggest NZB site just recently got hit. Piracy is becoming more and more a thing of the past, with "pay for what you watch and listen" based models becoming more affordable and attractable. The oldest form of modern day media (reading) got it right from the beginning: pay for what you want to consume.

I could download every specific song I wanted, but with the advent of Spotify, convenience and affordability is king.

Sorry but no, Apple doesn't do anything specifically to prevent jailbreaks. Jail breaking is done by finding vulnerabilities in the OS. If they knew about a vuln and left it open that would be very negligent. Not to mention that it becomes an attack vector for less than legit malware.

[stevelam]

i just got an iphone 5 and wow i didn't realize how bad i miss jailbreak now. i've literally only used stock iphones for a very short amount of time (jailbreaked the 3g, 4 and 4s pretty much immediately when i got them)

-zephyr (i use this religiously and now absolutely hate double tapping the home button to multitask)

-ncsettings (i never considered going into the settings app to be really that tedious. but after years of using sbsettings and more recently ncsettings, it just sucks now without shortcuts)

-ability to set chrome as my default browser and not ****** mobile safari. it used to be that safari was basically the best mobile browser on any platform as well as the other stock apps. now we have better alternatives as well as better email clients. sorry but the stock mail app is horrendous compared to sparrow and gmail app.

-cydia apps that just aren't ever going to be available from app store

[Dr Sam Beckett]

Originally Posted by nStyle

Sadly, pirates ruin it for everyone.

Apple doesn't try so hard to restrict jailbreaking just so you can't make your device look pretty, they do it for the ability (or inability) to play unauthorized apps.

Pirates have influenced the market though. People pirating say, "Hey, this subscription cable TV service is BS, let me pay for what I want to watch". So many torrent sites gone, and the biggest NZB site just recently got hit. Piracy is becoming more and more a thing of the past, with "pay for what you watch and listen" based models becoming more affordable and attractable. The oldest form of modern day media (reading) got it right from the beginning: pay for what you want to consume.

I could download every specific song I wanted, but with the advent of Spotify, convenience and affordability is king.

thats really not valid.. you can easily sign cracked apps without jailbreaking a device..there are several services and apps that do it..
not going to name any because i dont support piracy.

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Originally Posted by ACardAttack

Last year we at least had heard some news about a release, we havent heard a peep other than 6.1 made it harder to jailbreak

and earlier in that same year when we had the ipad 2 release.. we had the same silence and dry spell for many months.

[TestedLion]

https://twitter.com/i0n1c/status/283014587543060480

http://www.ipodnn.com/articles/12/12...esilient.code/

[nStyle]

Originally Posted by WordMasterRice

Sorry but no, Apple doesn't do anything specifically to prevent jailbreaks. Jail breaking is done by finding vulnerabilities in the OS. If they knew about a vuln and left it open that would be very negligent. Not to mention that it becomes an attack vector for less than legit malware.

No? Then why does every iteration of iOS permit a new method of jailbreaking? You can't tell me that Apple is stupid enough that they don't know what goes on. Nonsense.

Originally Posted by Dr Sam Beckett

thats really not valid.. you can easily sign cracked apps without jailbreaking a device..there are several services and apps that do it..
not going to name any because i dont support piracy.

No. There was really one main service and it is now dead. Plus, it isn't a long term solution like Jailbreaking is (was). I understand there are basically two methods to this but both are NOT free like jailbreaking.

[stevelam]

Originally Posted by nStyle

No? Then why does every iteration of iOS permit a new method of jailbreaking? You can't tell me that Apple is stupid enough that they don't know what goes on. Nonsense.

um, iOS never PERMITTED jailbreaking. its just holes in security that are used to exploit and jailbreak the phone. those holes are being patched as they're discovered. duh.

[nStyle]

Originally Posted by stevelam

um, iOS never PERMITTED jailbreaking. its just holes in security that are used to exploit and jailbreak the phone. those holes are being patched as they're discovered. duh.

Maybe permit was the wrong word, but you still took what I said out of context. I was basically saying Apple patches the holes.... and you are missing the point completely anyway.

[thewitt]

Originally Posted by nStyle

Maybe permit was the wrong word, but you still took what I said out of context. I was basically saying Apple patches the holes.... and you are missing the point completely anyway.

Apple sees jail breaking as a security hole, and they plug these holes both reactively and proactively.

You can expect the effort level to jail break a device to increase for every new release of hardware and software.

[HankHowdy]

Installous is now gone. Hackulous is now gone. JB scene really is dead. Perhaps most people who jailbreak their phones have now moved to android since their platform is a lot more stable now.

[rgarjr]

Originally Posted by HankHowdy

Installous is now gone. Hackulous is now gone. JB scene really is dead. Perhaps most people who jailbreak their phones have now moved to android since their platform is a lot more stable now.

Yep, http://hackulo.us/ is done

[isoft7]

Best thing to happen to the iOS JB scene in years is for Installous to die... piracy is obviously a big part of the reason Apple fights so hard.

Anyways, if you know anything about the playing field you know Installous was last years news.