General I believe there is an ulterior motive for installuous being shut down.

Your first assertion is speculation and difficult to prove. It is a disservice to characterize jailbrakers as pirates.

This is one of the most ridiculous pieces of speculation I've read on the Internet in months. Apple won't be doing anything other than laughing with glee while concentrating on getting their 2013 product lines ready!

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Jailbreakers enable pirates, no jailbreak no piracy.

tymaster50 said:

Most peoples reasoning for jailbreaking IS in fact installuous,

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False.

cclloyd9785 said:

False.

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I don't think so. Most I know who have jailbroke also pirated. Just speaking from personal experience

You know you can pirate apps without jailbreaking, yes? You just take out the info that points to your Apple account. How else can things like TestFlight work?

yeah... not true..


people can still install cracked IPA WITHOUT a jailbreak.. and there are infact many alternatives to installous.

I for one am glad its shut down.. but your "theory" is not too sound

While I admit that I once did pirate, but ever since the 4S I just found myself using the tweaks to make the phone experience better. Can't even remember if I had Installous installed on the 4S.

And yea that's the first thing that popped to mind after I heard it was shutdown. I just want my tweaks, Apple is stupidly slow with some very convenient features. JB fills that gap.

dukebound85 said:

I don't think so. Most I know who have jailbroke also pirated. Just speaking from personal experience

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just because you and the group you hang out with are thieves doesn't mean the vast majority of jailbreakers are.

While I'm glad installous is shut down because it makes people think you don't jailbreak for the purpose of pirating apps, there will still be other devs who will start a similar pirating source (and there already alternatives that exists).

tymaster50 said:

Most peoples reasoning for jailbreaking IS in fact installuous, I believe they think that if they shut down the service, Apple is more likely to kind of "allow" jailbreaking. Now that the most popular thing is shut down it won't steal from their revenue. Aka taking one for the team.

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That makes no sense at all bro.
Even if piracy was completely disabled when jb apple will never just "allow" it.

What I find funny is, people thinking jailbreaking is gone.

I told someone that Installous was gone and they said they might as well upgrade to iOS 6. I laughed and said that doesn't mean Cydia is gone.

I'm just curious who's going to step up to the plate and create the new Installous.

I remember py0 (I think) tried coming out with his but ended up discontinuing due to legal advice?!? Why hasn't Hackulous ever got any legal advice?

BlindMellon said:

just because you and the group you hang out with are thieves doesn't mean the vast majority of jailbreakers are.

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I don't jailbreak my devices...

Surely there is a stat that shows how many of jail broken devices have installous. I would wager that it is easily over half.

dukebound85 said:

I don't jailbreak my devices...

Surely there is a stat that shows how many of jail broken devices have installous. I would wager that it is easily over half.

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having installus does not mean the person is stealing or even that they use it!

labman said:

having installus does not mean the person is stealing or even that they use it!

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Really now? What legitimate reason does one have for having installous? App trials with the intent to buy if you like? Ok but that is still against TOS and infringing copyright and once again I'd wager most don't bother buying.

What other reasons?

And why would one download installous and not have the intent to use it?

dukebound85 said:

I don't think so. Most I know who have jailbroke also pirated. Just speaking from personal experience

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Perhaps all the people you know are thieves

dhlizard said:

Perhaps all the people you know are thieves

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Must be. Then again, everyone claims to be a saint on the internet lol

dukebound85 said:

Really now? What legitimate reason does one have for having installous? App trials with the intent to buy if you like? Ok but that is still against TOS and infringing copyright and once again I'd wager most don't bother buying.

What other reasons?

And why would one download installous and not have the intent to use it?

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Well I have it and I challenge you to find a stolen app either from the app store or cydia on my device. I've used a few times to get previous versions of apps I bought in a pinch. If you believe that or not I really don't care.

Installuous sucks. You can't update the apps via App Store. Installed a few apps at the beginning this way, was just easier to pay for them.

If you want the app, just buy it.

dukebound85 said:

Must be. Then again, everyone claims to be a saint on the internet lol

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Not even close to a saint, on or off the Internet.
But I jailbreak and do not steal apps.

dukebound85 said:

Surely there is a stat that shows how many of jail broken devices have installous. I would wager that it is easily over half.

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I'd be willing to contribute to the same bet. Anyone who thinks the majority of jailbreakers do it for customization is likely mistaken. Customization gets old. Downloading new apps all the time for free doesn't. Not saying it is right to do so, just that it is/was the main selling point to jailbreaking.

You don't have to look far to see that jailbreaking = piracy for most people. No jailbreak since iOS 6 (which has been a terribly long time in e-years) equals no more Hackulous community.

I think most people, however, have seen that it just isn't practical to steal apps, even if it is easy to do so. There are only a handful of quality apps that any one individual can enjoy over a certain span of time anyway, so it isn't that expensive.

dukebound85 said:

What legitimate reason does one have for having installous?

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What legitimate reason does one have for using Facebook or email? After all, people might be trading serial numbers or stock tips or who knows what? Sheesh. Purity trolls are so tiring with all their worrying about what horrible things other people *might* be doing.

jw2002 said:

What legitimate reason does one have for using Facebook or email? After all, people might be trading serial numbers or stock tips or who knows what? Sheesh. Purity trolls are so tiring with all their worrying about what horrible things other people *might* be doing.

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When I say legitimate, I mean in terms of legitimacy as in legal uses...not the significance of the activity...

The whole point of installous is to circumvent copyright. Or do you disagree? I don't understand how you are trying to equate it to Facebook.

But by all means, justify it all you want. Doesn't make it right

mobilehaathi said:

Your first assertion is speculation and difficult to prove. It is a disservice to characterize jailbrakers as pirates.

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Exactly, I have an android phone which people root all the time. People don't root android phones for piracy as you can sideload apps without root. Theres tons of other reasons to root/JB than to pirate apps. Just look at XDA, millions of members that root and they aren't doing it to pirate.

The main reason for root access on Android is to install custom ROMs. The main reason for root access/jailbreak on iOS is pirated apps. By main, I mean 50%+ of people who do such things.

Apple won't allow jailbreaks. Ever.