After caving on sandy, boehner kicks back on women this time

[AhmedFaisal]

After his thinly veiled attempt to punish governor christie for his "defection" from obama hatred after sandy, boehner has now moved on to punish women for daring to vote against the party that wants to control their uteri.

Of course the fact that the bill would also protect those damnable gays as well didn't help........ Stay classy GOP

[leekohler]

Keep it up, GOP! You'll be a much smaller minority next time around!

[webbuzz]

Originally Posted by AhmedFaisal

After his thinly veiled attempt to punish governor christie for his "defection" from obama hatred after sandy, boehner has now moved on to punish women for daring to vote against the party that wants to control their uteri.

Of course the fact that the bill would also protect those damnable gays as well didn't help........ Stay classy GOP

Nobody was punishing Governor Christie. Have you seen the amount of pork in the Sandy Relief Bill? It was close to one billion dollars.

Step out of your echo chamber

[mcrain]

Originally Posted by webbuzz

Nobody was punishing Governor Christie. Have you seen the amount of pork in the Sandy Relief Bill? It was close to one billion dollars.

Step out of your echo chamber

1 Billion Dollars of "pork?" What is your definition of "pork?" Did you see that a chunk of that was for a new roof for the Smithsonian? Perhaps it wasn't directly related to Sandy, but are you honestly arguing against all government spending on things that need to be done? Or, are you arguing for a "single subject rule" so that amendments can't be added to bills that are unrelated? If so, I've got your back.

[Huntn]

I agree completely that the GOP is tone deaf when it comes to governing and tends to be hostile towards legislation regarding women.

However I'm not clear on need for the Vioence Against Women Act. This feeling kind of goes along with Hate Crimes legislation. Here is an example: if we have laws against assault and murder, why have separate law that attempts to address the motivations behind specific kinds of assault and murder? Why not incorporate these provisions into existing law, or is that what these kinds of laws accomplish- incorporate specific punishments based on motivations? Is that necessary? Lets say you beat someone up. Now lets say you beat a woman up. Are there different provisions for beating a woman up versus a man? Should they be different? Any words of wisdom appreciated.

[mcrain]

The Violence Against Women Act...

provided $1.6 billion toward investigation and prosecution of violent crimes against women, imposed automatic and mandatory restitution on those convicted, and allowed civil redress in cases prosecutors chose to leave unprosecuted. The Act also established the Office on Violence Against Women within the Department of Justice. Wiki

I am not aware of any special funding, restitution or rights to civil redress unless this Act were continued. It always was before, in a bipartisan way. Why not now?

[lannister80]

Originally Posted by Huntn

if we have laws against assault and murder, why have separate law that attempts to address the motivations behind specific kinds of assault and murder?)

Would you argue that 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, etc all be rolled into a single charge/penalty? Same logic, no?

[skottichan]

Originally Posted by Huntn

I agree completely that the GOP is tone deaf when it comes to governing and tends to be hostile towards legislation regarding women.

However I'm not clear on need for the Vioence Against Women Act. This feeling kind of goes along with Hate Crimes legislation. Here is an example: if we have laws against assault and murder, why have separate law that attempts to address the motivations behind specific kinds of assault and murder? Why not incorporate these provisions into existing law, or is that what these kinds of laws accomplish- incorporate specific punishments based on motivations? Is that necessary? Lets say you beat someone up. Now lets say you beat a woman up. Are there different provisions for beating a woman up versus a man? Should they be different? Any words of wisdom appreciated.

Actually most of the provisions in the act are to set up funding for women's rescue centers and support systems. I find it adorable when cis-gendered, hetero, white men think the standing laws somehow protect minorities and other victimized people. Even today, judges will dismiss domestic violence cases and send the abused back to the abuser, so yes, apparently the standing laws aren't working. If humans weren't dicks to people that don't fit into their little niches, then we wouldn't need hate crime/domestic violence provisions.

[Happybunny]

Originally Posted by AhmedFaisal

After his thinly veiled attempt to punish governor christie for his "defection" from obama hatred after sandy, boehner has now moved on to punish women for daring to vote against the party that wants to control their uteri.

Of course the fact that the bill would also protect those damnable gays as well didn't help........ Stay classy GOP

After reading this I have the idea that prospective Republican candidates are required to skin a live puppy, and burn a kitten alive, before they are allowed to join the nasty party.

[Huntn]

Originally Posted by lannister80

Would you argue that 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, etc all be rolled into a single charge/penalty? Same logic, no?

I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that the different degrees of murder covers the act of murder for whatever the motivation does it not?

Originally Posted by skottichan

Actually most of the provisions in the act are to set up funding for women's rescue centers and support systems. I find it adorable when cis-gendered, hetero, white men think the standing laws somehow protect minorities and other victimized people. Even today, judges will dismiss domestic violence cases and send the abused back to the abuser, so yes, apparently the standing laws aren't working. If humans weren't dicks to people that don't fit into their little niches, then we wouldn't need hate crime/domestic violence provisions.

Thanks for this info.

[PracticalMac]

Originally Posted by leekohler

Keep it up, GOP! You'll be a much smaller minority next time around!

cannot happen fast enough!

[Zombie Acorn]

Actually the house passed a non-amended version of the bill, Obama threatened to veto it. So the real question might be, why does Obama hate women so much that he would compromise their safety in order to take up separate issues in the same bill and/or change a bill that has had bipartisan support in the past?

I don't think illegals who are victims of domestic abuse should have a route to legal status, we have laws on the books that already protect against these abuses, call the police. Oh wait... you are here illegally.

[Bug-Creator]

Originally Posted by Zombie Acorn

we have laws on the books that already protect against these abuses, call the police. Oh wait... you are here illegally.

Or in other words, you want to make sure pervs can still buy women from abroad (wether as "wife" or visiting them in a brothel) without the danger of getting prosecuted on any violent behaviour ?

If one wants to root out human-trafficing and sex-slaves one has to make sure that the victims are protected from any legal backclash.

(and no, I don't know whether that really was part of the orginal bill)

[Zombie Acorn]

Originally Posted by Bug-Creator

Or in other words, you want to make sure pervs can still buy women from abroad (wether as "wife" or visiting them in a brothel) without the danger of getting prosecuted on any violent behaviour ?

If one wants to root out human-trafficing and sex-slaves one has to make sure that the victims are protected from any legal backclash.

(and no, I don't know whether that really was part of the orginal bill)

Mail order brides aren't what is being targeted here, we don't have an epidemic of illegals from any country besides one.

[Bug-Creator]

Targeted or not, they still get hit ....

If you want to do something bout all those illegals, I've got a novel thought for you:

Don't crimilize those poor people who just want to make a slightly better life, target those profiting from them.

Read all those farmers employing them in the harvesting season .... ouch thats gonna put a whole new price tag on your food.

Don't forget all those upper-middle class families having an "Esmeralda" cleaning the house and look after the kids.

Make sure they get caught and heavily fined and don't forget to send the middle-men to jail.
Once that is done illegal immigration will drop massivly.

[skunk]

Originally Posted by Bug-Creator

Targeted or not, they still get hit ....

If you want to do something bout all those illegals, I've got a novel thought for you:

Don't crimilize those poor people who just want to make a slightly better life, target those profiting from them.

Read all those farmers employing them in the harvesting season .... ouch thats gonna put a whole new price tag on your food.

Don't forget all those upper-middle class families having an "Esmeralda" cleaning the house and look after the kids.

Make sure they get caught and heavily fined and don't forget to send the middle-men to jail.
Once that is done illegal immigration will drop massivly.

Even better, why not make it easier for enough people to cross the border legally to satisfy the obvious demand?

[Zombie Acorn]

Originally Posted by Bug-Creator

Targeted or not, they still get hit ....

If you want to do something bout all those illegals, I've got a novel thought for you:

Don't crimilize those poor people who just want to make a slightly better life, target those profiting from them.

Read all those farmers employing them in the harvesting season .... ouch thats gonna put a whole new price tag on your food.

Don't forget all those upper-middle class families having an "Esmeralda" cleaning the house and look after the kids.

Make sure they get caught and heavily fined and don't forget to send the middle-men to jail.
Once that is done illegal immigration will drop massivly.

Id actually like the prices to go up, especially if we stop subsidizing corporate farming. It might allow local farmers to get a leg up.