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Old Jan 13, 2013, 10:41 AM   #26
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You could and should say the same for the up vote. It's no different.
Yes, it is different. It is evident why someone agrees with a post: because they agree with what was stated. It is not evident why someone disagrees. Did they disagree because they don't like the poster? Because something in the post wasn't factual? If so, what part wasn't factual and what is the correct information? Because it challenges their personal opinion? An opposing opinion calls for an explanation. To explain why you agree is usually redundant.
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Old Jan 13, 2013, 02:56 PM   #27
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Yes, it is different. It is evident why someone agrees with a post: because they agree with what was stated. It is not evident why someone disagrees. Did they disagree because they don't like the poster? Because something in the post wasn't factual? If so, what part wasn't factual and what is the correct information? Because it challenges their personal opinion? An opposing opinion calls for an explanation. To explain why you agree is usually redundant.
No, I disagree. Which part of the post did you agree with? Why? Does it confirm some belief you also hold. Do you just like that poster? Did you think what they said was funny?

The up vote alone is a cop out. Imagine the iTMS App Store with only five star ratings. It's pointless and absurd. It's clapping with one hand.
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Old Jan 13, 2013, 02:58 PM   #28
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No, I disagree. Which part of the post did you agree with? Why? Does it confirm some belief you also hold. Do you just like that poster? Did you think what they said was funny?
Classic example why an explanation is needed when you disagree with a post. ^ Thanks! You proved my point quite well!
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It's clapping with one hand.
My brother does that quite well, and it's loud, too!
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Old Jan 13, 2013, 03:36 PM   #29
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No, I disagree. Which part of the post did you agree with? Why? Does it confirm some belief you also hold. Do you just like that poster? Did you think what they said was funny?
That depends entirely on context, and when it's not clear, the member can write a response instead of just clicking the +1 button.

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The up vote alone is a cop out. Imagine the iTMS App Store with only five star ratings. It's pointless and absurd. It's clapping with one hand.
I hear that you don't like it, but that's the way arn has decided to do it. There's already been quite a bit of discussion, and there are a lot of opinions on both sides of the fence.
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Old Jan 13, 2013, 03:43 PM   #30
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Rather than downvoting I wish the site allowed personal notes under the username vs having the 6502 flotsam.
Then I could root out the trolls.
I would quite like a thanked feature like many other sites have (on top of like/upvote).
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Old Jan 13, 2013, 03:54 PM   #31
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Classic example why an explanation is needed when you disagree with a post. ^ Thanks! You proved my point quite well!
See, a negative vote would have sufficed, but now I risk calling you a name for you being, well, you. -1

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I hear that you don't like it, but that's the way arn has decided to do it. There's already been quite a bit of discussion, and there are a lot of opinions on both sides of the fence.
Every argument you make for a positive could be made for a negative. It's the nature of it. Every where except here that is... And what I've seen is that this is not a final solution. It part of an "experiment." If you guys can still speak in favor of it, I will continue to oppose it.
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 02:06 AM   #32
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Every argument you make for a positive could be made for a negative. It's the nature of it. Every where except here that is... And what I've seen is that this is not a final solution. It part of an "experiment." If you guys can still speak in favor of it, I will continue to oppose it.
I spoke out in explanation of it, because the site owner has decided, after a huge amount of member input, that this is the way it is. Members can of course post to voice their displeasure about anything on the site, and in that case, a mod or admin may reply to let you know why whatever you bring up, is as it is.

But at some point, when there's been a huge amount of discussion about a forum feature, both in Site and Feedback threads and backstage, and something has been changed as a result, there just isn't much point in beating the dead horse. That doesn't mean you're not allowed to do it, just that it might not have much effect.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 10:23 PM   #33
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Every argument you make for a positive could be made for a negative. It's the nature of it. Every where except here that is... And what I've seen is that this is not a final solution. It part of an "experiment." If you guys can still speak in favor of it, I will continue to oppose it.
That is probably good/necessary for you, but not good for the (mostly friendly) online communities (not only MR). Less egoism is the key.
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 12:32 PM   #34
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Here's a suggestion - allow both up and down voting, but don't show tallies for either, and only use them to determine the top rated comments in that view.

Along the same lines, how about limiting top rated comments so they don't show up there until they have a certain number of votes? It's annoying to see some articles showing some fairly crackpot "top comments" showing with just one vote, just because either there aren't many comments yet, or few have received votes at that point.
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Old Jan 20, 2013, 02:29 AM   #35
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Wasn't this dead horse beaten enough in the original thread about this subject? No one ever mentioned voting period until arn implemented this "experiment" a year or so ago.
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