Would these specs shut-up Apple critics?

[blackhand1001]

Originally Posted by Bahroo

Not only that, Apple is able to squeeze more out the A6 then some of the processors in the top end Android phones. Iphone still has the fastest browser so far on a phone. Gpu performance on iphone 5 kills the competition as of right now so im confused as well

The new chrome beta demolishes safari in ios 6. Also the snapdragon s4 pro has a faster gpu than the a6 and it completely destroys the a6 in cpu based benchmarks.

[corvus32]

Originally Posted by blackhand1001

Also the snapdragon s4 pro has a faster gpu than the a6 and it completely destroys the a6 in cpu based benchmarks.

Negative.

[blackhand1001]

Originally Posted by corvus32

Negative.

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Umm first of all, the adreno 320 beats the iphone on egypt hd (which is the more demanding benchmark). Second of all I said the new chrome beta, not the regular chrome. The snapdragon s4 pro is a much faster chip. I've seen much higher linpack scores for the nexus 4 and optimus g.

[BornAgainMac]

Personally, I would like to have a Thunderbolt port and a dock that I can connect to a display and have it be my Mac Mini.

[corvus32]

Originally Posted by blackhand1001

Umm first of all, the adreno 320 beats the iphone on egypt hd (which is the more demanding benchmark)

No. The A6 is 1.5 fps faster at native resolutions where it counts.

and the egypt classic is vsync limited (in the android version) hence why you don't see it above 60.

It managed 78.2 fps vs the iPhone's 91 in Anand's graph.

The snapdragon s4 pro is a much faster chip.

No, if anything, it's on par or slightly below the dual core A6 in real world application benchmarks.

I've seen much higher linpack scores for the nexus 4 and optimus g.

If they're legit non-OC'd scores and include the iPhone 5 in their graph, please post them.

[Bahroo]

Originally Posted by blackhand1001

The new chrome beta demolishes safari in ios 6. Also the snapdragon s4 pro has a faster gpu than the a6 and it completely destroys the a6 in cpu based benchmarks.

Negative. The S4 pro's gpu is just oh so slightly under the tri core A6 GPU. As for FLOPS, the S4 pro on paper should blow the A6 out but it doesnt in the real world

And current Chrome on iOS isnt faster then Safari nor does it perform as good

[vikingjunior]

Then there is the back button issue.

[Jimmy James]

Those specs would create new critics to replace the ones that were silenced.

[blueroom]

Remember many Apple critics simply don't like Apple.

[dvoros]

Make the screen 5 inches and you got a deal

[blackhand1001]

Originally Posted by Bahroo

Negative. The S4 pro's gpu is just oh so slightly under the tri core A6 GPU. As for FLOPS, the S4 pro on paper should blow the A6 out but it doesnt in the real world

And current Chrome on iOS isnt faster then Safari nor does it perform as good

I was referring to chrome on android which is actually a separate browser. The chrome on iOS is just safari with the old JavaScript engine because apple doesn't allow this party browser engines.

[corvus32]

Originally Posted by jrswizzle

iPhone ?:

-2272x1280 4.5" SupeRetina display w/ IGZO (582 ppi)
-NFC
-Corning Gorilla Glass 3
-Liquid Metal shell
-LTE (possibly LTE-A)
-Quad core A7 (or A8) with quad core graphics
-1-2 GB RAM
-iOS 7 (or 8)

Rather than announcing one new iPhone, I believe Apple will do two.

One based on the current 4" iPhone, and one much larger. I'm thinking 5.4" 2272x1280 display w/ IGZO (483 ppi).

This way people that are interested in a smaller phone have a choice, and no compromise is needed on the upper end.

The iPhone 5 drops to $99, and the 4S to zero.

[Bahroo]

Originally Posted by blackhand1001

I was referring to chrome on android which is actually a separate browser. The chrome on iOS is just safari with the old JavaScript engine because apple doesn't allow this party browser engines.

Im waiting for iOS 6.1 where Apple made Safari even faster then it is now as they always update Safari every .1 patch

[Obese Lobsters]

I think the only change the next iphone would need to sell would be different colors similar to the ipod touch

[Tig Bitties]

I am a big Nexus Android nerd, would be happy to come back to an iPhone. But hardware spec's are not keeping me away, it's the OS. Apple needs to overhaul iOS, update the stale grid of app icons that haven't changed since 2007. And yes a little larger screen would be nice too, around 4.3" would be perfect, but first update iOS.

[corvus32]

^

With Forstall out and Ives and Federighi in charge, a revamped iOS is just a matter of time.

[itjw]

"But, but, the Android (XYZ) does better than the A6 when you set the resolution to 1x1 and run Angry Birds with the brightness turned way down..."

Statements like that seem to be the general rebuttal from the Android crowd when the A6 tramples whatever processor they use in comparison.

It's alot like walking into a restaurant and asking "What food DON'T you have" and then when they answer saying "Ahhh that's what I HAD to have, you are a crummy restaurant!".

They pick the one crazy benchmark that the A6 falls a tick or two behind in and act like it's the only one that means anything (saying it's a more "demanding" test lol...).

Face it, Apple did a GREAT job with the iPhone hardware. Despite the lame argument of NFC being a "big" deal, there's really no argument from anyone unbiased that the iP5 is a beast. It's not everything, but it IS funny how much the fandroids have been put on their heels. They are so used to having the "but ours has more benchmarks" argument that now that they don't (or it's at least EVEN), suddenly they don't matter any more.

It's a great study in human defensiveness.

The iP5 is PLENTY "innovative". Sorry.

[underblu]

Originally Posted by jrswizzle

*DISCLAIMER* - The word "critic" in this case is not a negative thing. By this I mean those who genuinely feel Apple is falling behind. I'm just curious what those who have used iPhones in the past and have either recently switched or are contemplating switching are thinking about the future iPhones and what it would take for Apple to regain their spot at the top. Please read the WHOLE post before commenting....

iPhone ?:

-2272x1280 4.5" SupeRetina display w/ IGZO (582 ppi)
-NFC
-Corning Gorilla Glass 3
-Liquid Metal shell
-LTE (possibly LTE-A)
-Quad core A7 (or A8) with quad core graphics
-1-2 GB RAM
-iOS 7 (or 8)

Obviously the big kicker would be how iOS evolves from here (given new leadership with Cue, Ive and Federighi) - but with Apple undoubtedly being forced into a bigger screen, they could shut everyone up and make the other OEMs pee themselves by simply doubling the current iP5 resolution (less work for devs) and adding IGZO. Not only would they continue to have the most accurate display in the biz, they'd have the undisputed champion of them - probably for some time (depending on when this would be viable).

The other big question mark is the liquid metal shell - which will come at some point, we just don't know when. I tell you what - give me this phone and an iOS with Ive's design expertise and some tweaked software enhancements and Apple is back on top.

What do ya'll think it would take for Apple to grab back the crown?

Yes I think a larger wider phone is key.

Both IOS 6 and Jellybean have their advantages. Jellybean seems a little fresher but IOS is very intuitive and a mature but outstanding platform.

Despite having multiple devices in an Apple ecosystem I bought a S3 because I refuse to browse the web with such a small screen and adding only vertical real estate does little to increase browsing utility.

22 million S3 smart phone buyers apparently agreed paid a premium for a Samsung phone that was squarely positioned price wise etc in Apple's premium space. Apple allowed themselves to be beaten in the premium space they created by one again having this let them eat cake philosophy. 4" phone is the appropriate size those that don't agree let them eat cake


Well samsung has been selling a lot of Cake

Apple was once way ahead in the burgeoning PC space yet they squandered the lead to a company with an inferior OS (Microsoft.)

I hope Apple's hubris does not cause the same fall here. It's been a long road for Apple to rise from a niche OS maker to the most valued Tech company in the world.

[Squilly]

No to LTE Advance and no to liquid metal shell. Apple is still trying to roll out LTE let alone Advance.

[blackhand1001]

Originally Posted by Bahroo

Im waiting for iOS 6.1 where Apple made Safari even faster then it is now as they always update Safari every .1 patch

Chrome is updated completely seperate from the OS version. Chrome has been update like 3 times in the past two weeks.

[Bahroo]

Originally Posted by blackhand1001

Chrome is updated completely seperate from the OS version. Chrome has been update like 3 times in the past two weeks.

Yeah but usually when a OS update comes, Apple does a great job of being right in the pack in browser performance and even edges everyone by a little bit as shown in several browser benchmarks.

I seen Droid DNA browser in action and its fast dont get me wrong, but it still checkerboards when you pinch to zoom in and out. Not on the iPhone

[irDigital0l]

All I want is...

-a bigger screen size option
-iOS 7 to overhaul the UI

[takeshi74]

Originally Posted by jrswizzle

Would these specs shut-up Apple critics?

No set of specs would shut up all critics. Why care what they think anyway? Each person needs to use whatever works for that person. No one device will ever be one-size-fits-all.

Originally Posted by jrswizzle

What do ya'll think it would take for Apple to grab back the crown?

Couldn't care less about "the crown". It's whether it meets my needs/wants or not that matter to me. The crown is just for fanboys to gloat over.

[surjavarman]

The specs are decent but they need to switch to android for their next device and drop ios all together.

[Bahroo]

Originally Posted by blackhand1001

I was referring to chrome on android which is actually a separate browser. The chrome on iOS is just safari with the old JavaScript engine because apple doesn't allow this party browser engines.

And actuAlly on my brothers note 2, the stock browser is fastet then Google Chrome browser on Android