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Refurbished 13-Inch Retina MacBook Pro Models Appear in Apple's Online Store
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Did you consider that perhaps you rewarded Apple's "greed" by stepping up to a more expensive machine? Just because you don't like an explanation doesn't mean it is "spin." Apple charged more because they could. It isn't as if there is a constitutional "right" to buy a 13" rMBP for $1499 just because that's the same price relative to the 13" cMBP as the 15" rMBP is to the 15" cMBP.
Anyway, the point of this thread is that there is a cheaper option for those who want to save on a 13" rMBP.
I knew you would.
Again, all your spin is worthless in light of the 15" rMBP's pricing. That's what people are basing themselves on when they claim the 13" rMBP should be 1499$. Because by all logic that went into pricing the 15", it should be 1499$. Anything else you come up with is pro-Apple spin, and frankly, should be left as a job for Apple employees, not consumers (consumers should never try to justify higher prices).
Unless, of course, said "customer" is a plant from the company. Is Apple above that? I can't say I ever recall them doing that, but who knows; maybe that's something they can still actually keep secret for years on end.
No, because their pricing on the 15" rMBP was fair. I rewarded their fair pricing policy.
KPOM is not an Apple plant, he's just often too quick to try to justify Apple's anti-consumer pricing practices, even when they totally defy reality.
I'm surprised you are more upset about the $200 premium on the display rather than the prices they charge for extra flash storage. Now that's where they really pad their margins.
You forgot ram. It's not user upgradable in the retinas as it's soldered to the MB thus forcing you to buy from Apple.
My only gripe with purchasing a refurb of these - I'd want the base with 16GB of ram and that doesn't seem possible.
its a bit ignorant to say that
That being said I know... I'm funny about it too but the they really came along way
How do you define "fair"? You seem to be basing it on the premium to the cMBP. But is that the right measure? There is a $600 premium between the base 13" cMBP and the base 15" cMBP. Is the quad-core processor, the discrete GPU, and larger screen really "worth" the extra $600? It certainly doesn't cost anywhere near that much more. Maybe the 15" rMBP just seems more "fairly" priced because they are gouging the 15"rMBP customers.
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The maximum RAM is 8GB on the 13" model.
I wish the prices were more Refurbished. First adopter tech is always expensive with revision 1.
The padding occurs accross the whole range, equally. Yes, it's greedy that there's such a premium for a 32 GB iPhone vs a 16 GB one when the only change is 10$ worth of Flash, but it's consistent accross the whole line-up. I'm not upset about the display, just find it ludicrous that it's a 0$ option on the 15" and a 200$ option the 13" basically.
If it was 200$ on both at least, it would make sense (I'm OCD, stuff needs to make sense).
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Yes. That was the right measure for me. Of course, there's no measure to make the 13" cMBP to 13" rMBP fair. None. You need to enter "market will bear-Apple PR land" to make it work, which should be left to people paid by Apple, not its users.
Stop playing "Apple PR person".
That's what I figured. I doubt they would double to 2880 wide. They'd simply use the rMBP's screen. Makes sense. Thanks for the input.
Sure there is. Is it worth it to me, the customer making the decision, to pay $200 more for the rMBP in order to get a machine that's nearly a pound lighter and has a better display? If yes, then it's a "fair" price to me. If not, then it isn't. Since I'm not in the market for a 15" notebook, Apple's relative pricing on the 15" models is irrelevant.
Classic or Current (because when people started the cMBP vs rMBP appellation, the then Current MacBook Pro was non-Retina).
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Stop the spin, that's not a measure, that again is an Apple PR person's spin. It makes no logical sense, it's purely marketing hocus pocus. You're not paid by Apple, start being pro-consumer, not pro-Apple marketing spin.
Look, KPOM is right. I find the price of the 13 rMBP too expensive to buy. Much as I would like one. And the price of the 15 inch version is irrelevant as it is a different product. Its only relevance is when you the buyer might decide to choose it instead as its mix of features and price is more appealing to you when you push the purchase button.
But just because I can't afford a 13 rMBP does that mean it is not a fair price? Not to me. But more generally, no. Because Apple is probably selling them as fast as they can make them. A sign that they are too expensive would be if they started piling up in warehouses unsold. That would be a sign that Apple has set the price too high.
If Apple didn't charge as high a price as it could for any of its products, it is not being fair to its shareholders. And there are many shareholders, while you, KnightWrx, are a constituency of one. Apple is not a charity.
In a market economy, a seller tries to get the highest price they can for a product, and the buyer tries to get the lowest price they can. The seller has their pricing right when they can make as much money as possible for every widget they are able to make.
In a non market economy, an entity (ruler, politburo, SMA, guild etc) determines the price of a product. All products end up looking the same, quality nosedives, and nobody could be arsed being innovative as it takes forever to get the design and price approved. They all copy the approved design. And the buyers end up in queues and waiting lists to buy crap at approved and mandated prices.
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