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Old Jan 19, 2013, 06:45 PM   #301
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I think it was an estimate by Saurik that 7-10% of unique iDevices installed cydia at one point or another, and I bet many of these are not hardcore jailbreak fans.
Right. Like I am a jailbreaker, and have helped a few friends jb their iDevices over the years. But I only count myself as one out of four or so Cydia installs that are hanging by a thread for the latest jailbreak release to tweak my new phone. And I bought an iPhone 5, so Apple has my money already!
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 06:50 PM   #302
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It was not an estimate, it was research done by a reputable company but it was 6 - 12%
So the question is - how many of those people would stop buying Apple products if jailbreaks were made functionally impossible?

Like in my case, I would need to balance my desire to have a jailbroken phone with the ease of synchronization that an iPhone offers (I have an iPad I use for work).
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 07:00 PM   #303
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So the question is - how many of those people would stop buying Apple products if jailbreaks were made functionally impossible?
That is impossible to answer, but then it's also impossible for JB to be made functionally impossible...
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 07:02 PM   #304
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So the question is - how many of those people would stop buying Apple products if jailbreaks were made functionally impossible?

Like in my case, I would need to balance my desire to have a jailbroken phone with the ease of synchronization that an iPhone offers (I have an iPad I use for work).
I don't even believe those numbers and if they are true I would estimate over half of them jailbreak for piracy reasons.

Also you have to also factor in when was this research done. Now your seeing more veterens and baby boomers starting to use iPhones which can skew the numbers

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According to this 6.7% of phones are jailbroken

http://appscout.pcmag.com/none/27266...are-jailbroken

This was in 2009 so I would imagine that number has shrunk as there are now less reasons to jailbreak (free unlocks, installous, etc...)
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 07:15 PM   #305
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I don't even believe those numbers and if they are true I would estimate over half of them jailbreak for piracy reasons.

You can believe or disbelieve what you like. The reasons are debatable, hopefully the numbers that do it for piracy are nowhwere near what you suggest - I wish Apple would do more to combat piracy.
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 07:19 PM   #306
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You can believe or disbelieve what you like. The reasons are debatable, hopefully the numbers that do it for piracy are nowhwere near what you suggest - I wish Apple would do more to combat piracy.
I hate the thought of people piracing apps but I think that it should be obvious that we should be able to tweak our themes.

If only Apple could let us do that then the jailbreak would serve no purpose.
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 07:22 PM   #307
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It was not an estimate, it was research done by a reputable company but it was 6 - 12%

After a JB is released it creeps up to 12% but when a new device is released it drops as low as 6%

Dhlizard posted a link to the talk he gave a couple of years ago at what has become jailbreakcon.

It was a great day, fantastic to meet so many great people.

A pity MN didn't go last year, but he really doesn't like people 'idolising'him - he will talk to anyone who wants to learn but really doesn't like people coming to see him for who he is rather than what he knows.
Doesn't matter. An even smaller fraction of such users will buy or not buy an iPhone based on a jailbreak.
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 07:28 PM   #308
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I hate the thought of people piracing apps but I think that it should be obvious that we should be able to tweak our themes.

If only Apple could let us do that then the jailbreak would serve no purpose.
Obvious to who? If Apple allowed that they would open up more exploits, I don't believe they will risk that. iOS is very safe for a reason.

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Doesn't matter. An even smaller fraction of such users will buy or not buy an iPhone based on a jailbreak.
That is very true, most iPhone users dont even know what a JB is.
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Old Jan 20, 2013, 10:35 PM   #309
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Wouldn't it be funny if the 6.1 update patched every single exploit?

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They also theoretically had an iPad 3 untethered jailbreak on launch day, yet it took over 3 months for itto be available publicly. Don't raise your hopes too high folks.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 12:09 AM   #310
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Wouldn't it be funny if the 6.1 update patched every single exploit?
If that happened, they would probably release the 6.0.x untethered they've already put together and then just tell people to expect to stay on that OS version for a long time.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 04:32 PM   #311
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Is there any answer to whether we can upgrade to 6.0.2 because once 6.1 releases we would not be able to and if the JB is for 6.0.2 only at that point I take it folks on 6.0 cannot jailbreak after holding out?
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Is there any answer to whether we can upgrade to 6.0.2 because once 6.1 releases we would not be able to and if the JB is for 6.0.2 only at that point I take it folks on 6.0 cannot jailbreak after holding out?
I could be wrong, but I think 6.0.2 only patched a wifi issue, so unlikely there were other changes
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 04:44 PM   #313
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[QUOTE=confucious;16691495]Obvious to who? If Apple allowed that they would open up more exploits, I don't believe they will risk that. iOS is very safe for a reason.[COLOR="#808080"]

I doubt that. if they handle tweaks the same way they handle apps they wouldnt open themselves up to any dangers
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 04:45 PM   #314
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I could be wrong, but I think 6.0.2 only patched a wifi issue, so unlikely there were other changes
What about 6.0.1?
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 05:02 PM   #315
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What Apple needs to do is, just like OSX, have the option to enable/disable 3rd-party apps downloaded from the internet. That way, people who care about tweaks can enable 3rd party app and download apps from the internet (instead of Appstore). But I know that they won't do it because it would cut down on their 30% revenue from apps.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 06:16 PM   #316
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I could be wrong, but I think 6.0.2 only patched a wifi issue, so unlikely there were other changes
Apple never announces when they close jailbreak exploits. If they do, they are disclosed simply as "security updates".

That said, only the devs know if their exploits were patched in 6.0.1 or 6.0.2.

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What about 6.0.1?
See above.

Patch notes for 6.0.1, though:

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1606
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What Apple needs to do is, just like OSX, have the option to enable/disable 3rd-party apps downloaded from the internet. That way, people who care about tweaks can enable 3rd party app and download apps from the internet (instead of Appstore). But I know that they won't do it because it would cut down on their 30% revenue from apps.
This is a fine example of why the statement, "Apple leverages its control over the iOS platform to unfairly exclude competing distribution channels for software on that platform," is true.

Or more succinctly, Apple is abusing its monopoly control over iOS to prevent anyone else distributing apps.
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Apple never announces when they close jailbreak exploits. If they do, they are disclosed simply as "security updates".

That said, only the devs know if their exploits were patched in 6.0.1 or 6.0.2.

See above.

Patch notes for 6.0.1, though:

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1606
wishful thinking on my part, namely that the release was so quick after 6.0.1.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 01:20 AM   #319
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I hate the thought of people piracing apps but I think that it should be obvious that we should be able to tweak our themes.

If only Apple could let us do that then the jailbreak would serve no purpose.
Yup, I wouldn't need to jailbreak if Apple allowed these apps:

LockInfo - place all info on the home screen. emails, sms, calendar.
3G Unrestrictor -- I have a limited data plan, why should apple restrict me from downloading more than 20MB apps?? or using high def youtube?
BiteSMS - Apple, where is the quick reply????
Winterboard - why not allow me to theme my desktop??
Screenrecorder - i like to make training videos of using the iPhone.
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Yup, I wouldn't need to jailbreak if Apple allowed these apps:

LockInfo - place all info on the home screen. emails, sms, calendar.
3G Unrestrictor -- I have a limited data plan, why should apple restrict me from downloading more than 20MB apps?? or using high def youtube?
BiteSMS - Apple, where is the quick reply????
Winterboard - why not allow me to theme my desktop??
Screenrecorder - i like to make training videos of using the iPhone.
Is 50MB for apps now. Also, no one wouldn't need to jb if their fav apps went official
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 04:53 AM   #321
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Yup, I wouldn't need to jailbreak if Apple allowed these apps:

LockInfo - place all info on the home screen. emails, sms, calendar.
3G Unrestrictor -- I have a limited data plan, why should apple restrict me from downloading more than 20MB apps?? or using high def youtube?
BiteSMS - Apple, where is the quick reply????
Winterboard - why not allow me to theme my desktop??
Screenrecorder - i like to make training videos of using the iPhone.
Wait what? 3G unrestrictor lets you have an unlimited dataplan with your carrier? O.o
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Wait what? 3G unrestrictor lets you have an unlimited dataplan with your carrier? O.o
No! It just lets you use FaceTime or iTunes over 3g etc. Good for att customers because they do not allow FaceTime over 3G
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No! It just lets you use FaceTime or iTunes over 3g etc. Good for att customers because they do not allow FaceTime over 3G
I thought AT&T expanded FaceTime over cellular for all tiered plans just not unlimited ones.
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I thought AT&T expanded FaceTime over cellular for all tiered plans just not unlimited ones.
I think it was only if you had an LTE (i5) phone.
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I think it was only if you had an LTE (i5) phone.
Yes, they just starting to slowly roll it out to all tired iphone plans but not on unlimited data users.
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