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fr33 loader

macrumors regular
Jul 25, 2007
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I don't think a bunch of shares traded by a corrupt, shady and immoral bankers are a true indication of Apples worth.

They were good guys only until September, then they became corrupt, shady and dishonest after that. Meanies...
 

Rocketman

macrumors 603
Factor in that T-Bonds are exempt from state and local income taxes and the T-Bond comes out on top of Apple's paltry 2.1% yield.
AAPL yield increased to 2.4% so even at 35% federal and 10% state taxes, that is about 1.40% net. Better if your tax rate is any lower. With a whole bunch less principal risk than bonds not held to maturity, and possible upside to the income if they increase the dividend ever.
 

sseaton1971

macrumors 6502
Feb 9, 2012
431
11
It's the only laptop with a resolution that high, it's almost as thin as the Macbook Air, It has all the power of a regular Macbook Pro, it has asymmetrical fans that are pretty quiet, it has better speakers than the normal Macbook Pro despite it's thinner status, it manages to not blow up despite the smaller enclosure and specs, oh and it runs on SSD flash storage. It's really hard NOT to see the innovation.

I think most of the things you mentioned are really just evolutionary changes to existing technologies that don't really change how the laptop operates or is used. I do agree the Retina display is beautiful, and I forgot about the fans. I remember when that was discussed at a Keynote, and I thought that was pretty damn cool. When running processor-intensive apps, the fan really does make a lot of noise on my current 15" cMBP. I wonder how a rMBP compares.

One thing is for sure, I like the specs on the rMBP, and I certainly will be getting one within the year.

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The display matters. No one has done something like this before to a laptop screen. Once I went for retina display, I couldn't go back... I certainly think it's an innovation, albeit a small one.

What do you want in your "innovative" laptop? Fold-able screens? Infinite battery life?

I certainly love my cMBP, and I will eventually get a rMBP for my next laptop. I don't disagree that the current Retina display is beautiful. I just think it is a similar improvement to what has been happening to laptop displays on Apple's laptops throughout the years: increased resolution with each new model. Maybe I shouldn't have made the comment that it is not innovative. Perhaps I should have made the point that it is not a game-changing innovation.
 

Kestrel452

macrumors regular
Jul 23, 2008
197
256
AAPL was a bubble. The stock had been bid up to 10x in value to $700 in a mere 3 years, an increase like that is enough to indicate a bubble. However, what makes it an even more obvious bubble is the fact that this insane price gouge in AAPL was so fragile that it plummeted 15% in 3 days just because this last quarter didn't have a breakout increase in earnings.

It's not the fault of the analysts, as much as market experts like Jim Cramer or your average Joe Daytrader claim to know about the stock market, in reality no one has a crystal ball or special formula telling them what will happen tomorrow.
 

FrozenDarkness

macrumors 68000
Mar 21, 2009
1,723
964
Here's my prediction, the next AppleTV will come out with unifying content delivery. Basically, Apple is still a growth company, and they're area of growth will be content. It'll start on AppleTV with music streaming and video/movie streaming service, then it'll move onto its other devices. I think the worse decision apple can make is to come out with an actual television.
 

wshyang

macrumors newbie
Nov 24, 2012
28
0
Sorry, not impressed. I lost $100K, which is nothing compared to Tim Cook's $100 million loss.

Here is hoping Apple doubles the dividend soon to cheer me up a little!

Oh dear, sorry to hear. Guess your good luck ran out.
 

metsjetsfan

macrumors 65816
Feb 2, 2011
1,387
238
Wall street really missing the boat here. Once they see the ios 6.1 new music lock the screen the stock will jump 10% instantly. killer feature for 6.1
 

lazard

macrumors 68000
Jul 23, 2012
1,608
818
A con man (Madoff, et.al.) has to build trust at the highest levels before taking people to the cleaners. Same with stock manipulation.

newsflash. Institutional traders don't take trading advice from analysts.
 

akadmon

Suspended
Aug 30, 2006
2,006
2
New England
Oh dear, sorry to hear. Guess your good luck ran out.

Well, I'm still ahead on my total investment in APPL, though I did lose a lot on the last 100 shares I bought (at ~$630). Had I known what was going to happen, I'd have sold my first 300 shares at $700 and I'd have bought 600 shares of APPL yesterday :)
 

flopticalcube

macrumors G4
People laughed when I said $700 was a sell. People laughed when I said $425 was the target (and still is). It should turn around at that point but just in case have a stop at $400. If it does turn, $500 is the possible retrace point.


Well... here we are. I hope people bought because it didn't stay under $425 too long.. We could see a retrace to $500 now but just in case run a trailing stop. I have a feeling this will drop hard if the US markets roll over.

I am taking a second look at this long term. So far, its not so good.
 

cgsnipinva

macrumors 6502
Jan 29, 2013
494
446
Leesburg, VA
AAPL was a bubble. The stock had been bid up to 10x in value to $700 in a mere 3 years, an increase like that is enough to indicate a bubble. However, what makes it an even more obvious bubble is the fact that this insane price gouge in AAPL was so fragile that it plummeted 15% in 3 days just because this last quarter didn't have a breakout increase in earnings.

It's not the fault of the analysts, as much as market experts like Jim Cramer or your average Joe Daytrader claim to know about the stock market, in reality no one has a crystal ball or special formula telling them what will happen tomorrow.

There are also solid number that it is oversold as it has one of the lowest price to earnings ratio.
 

lildimsum7

macrumors regular
Aug 17, 2009
127
0
Still in. Looking for maybe another 10% here to around $500 then profit and reassess. Trailing stop now around $440.

ok... wannabe fortune tellers like you shouldn't be playing the market like a casino. I think you should ask yourself if anything you're doing with stocks is logical. You're basically buying and selling when you think other people are doing so, regardless of value. Where's the logic in that?
 

flopticalcube

macrumors G4
ok... wannabe fortune tellers like you shouldn't be playing the market like a casino. I think you should ask yourself if anything you're doing with stocks is logical. You're basically buying and selling when you think other people are doing so, regardless of value. Where's the logic in that?

Ain't no wannabe, been doing this with a 65% success rate for over a decade. Called the top at $700. (You made $275/share if you shorted at that point, I don't short). Called the (probably temporary) bottom at $425. ($35/share at this point). AAPL is easy to judge as its so widely held and thus crowd behavior is simple to predict you just have to use risk/reward analysis to pick entry/exit points and then apply tight stops in case the trade goes against you.
 

Rocketman

macrumors 603
We have seen PE ratio compression since Obama was elected since his policy is increased taxes, debt, and spending. The environment a stock is priced within matters. A sort of typical PE ratio for running companies over time is around 15. Apple is around 7-10 right now. If there is a change (reduction) in the tax environment and the velocity of money (increase) in the private sector, it will increase company PE's generally independent of internal performances of those firms.

Interestingly AAPL as a stock yields more (2.1%) than a 10 year government bond (1.85%) right now. That's amazing. The bond is at the top of its principal price range and the stock is near the bottom of its price range. Inverted risk.

During the short time the market felt Romney might have been elected, PE ratio expansion started to happen in anticipation.

Two news events happened when AAPL topped in mid-late September 2012. The iPhone 5 was released and the polls started to be pretty clearly favoring Obama.

I hope I have not triggered anything by saying these facts.

Rocketman
Declining Obama popularity, a R win in the Senate (end of gridlock) well anticipated in advance, and progress in debt reduction due to sequestration, has resulted in PE expansion for stocks generally and now up to 17.5 PE for AAPL! If one were to invest in APPL when I posted this in 1-13 the gain would have been about (split adjusted) $60-$110 or about 83% capital gain plus a yield of about 2.5%+ while waiting.

Rocketman
 
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