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Old Jan 28, 2013, 11:21 AM   #51
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Even when we did 'fend for ourselves' I suspect young and fit prehistoric men grumbled about the excessive amounts of mammoth and horse meat that was taken from them when they got back to camp to feed the shaman, the old, the kids and all the women.

Even then I suspect you paid into a common pot to get services or get serviced We're just a much bigger tribe now.
Kind of a simplistic, inaccurate analogy.
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 11:35 AM   #52
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Kind of a simplistic, inaccurate analogy.
What's wrong with it?
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What's wrong with it?
The old, useless, non-productive, non able to fend for themselves, either starved on their own or were put out on the ice flow. The only similarity is there has always been powerful "withs" and weak "withouts" .
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 11:45 AM   #54
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The old, useless, non-productive, non able to fend for themselves, either starved on their own or were put out on the ice flow. The only similarity is there has always been powerful "withs" and weak "withouts" .
Look at the archaeology. There's plenty of evidence that even the most 'primitive' of cultures looked after the old, the sick and the weak. Even Neanderthal burials have revealed that the deformed, the old and the disabled were cared for.
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Look at the archaeology. There's plenty of evidence that even the most 'primitive' of cultures looked after the old, the sick and the weak. Even Neanderthal burials have revealed that the deformed, the old and the disabled were cared for.
Was this before or after their climate change? ........ They we just fattening them up for dinner.
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What's wrong with it?
You're comparing a tribe of people fighting for survival and them sharing food with modern civilization.
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Even when we did 'fend for ourselves' I suspect young and fit prehistoric men grumbled about the excessive amounts of mammoth and horse meat that was taken from them when they got back to camp to feed the shaman, the old, the kids and all the women.

Even then I suspect you paid into a common pot to get services or get serviced We're just a much bigger tribe now.
Solution: world that didn't revolve around money and trades.
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Solution: world that didn't revolve around money and trades.
You'd have to breed and brainwash a race into a common purpose.

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You're comparing a tribe of people fighting for survival and them sharing food with modern civilization.
Why not? Is there any difference?
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You'd have to breed and brainwash a race into a common purpose.

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Not like the people are already brainwashed. Just change the next generation into thinking differently.
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Why not? Is there any difference?
Do you not think there is a difference between the power structure of a tribe X amount of years ago, and the US government system?
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Well, if I had the choice of being either born into a rather fixed society (read: modern, efficient and highly and well organized) or into anarchy, I'd know what to chose in a heartbeat.
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Do you not think there is a difference between the power structure of a tribe X amount of years ago, and the US government system?
Not as much as you might assume.
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Not as much as you might assume.
Perhaps some of the intentions, but the structures, complexity, and moral issues are vastly different.
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Perhaps some of the intentions, but the structures, complexity, and moral issues are vastly different.
A lot of that isn't because of the government. It's because of increasing technology.
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A lot of that isn't because of the government. It's because of increasing technology.
Does the government not use technology, or is it not affected by it? Are the people in government not affected by technology?
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Perhaps some of the intentions, but the structures, complexity, and moral issues are vastly different.
But what are you suggesting by these differences?

That Neanderthals were more capable of caring for their aged and infirm than modern man?
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Does the government not use technology, or is it not affected by it? Are the people in government not affected by technology?
No. They can't keep up with it, legislatively.
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But what are you suggesting by these differences?

That Neanderthals were more capable of caring for their aged and infirm than modern man?
Not sure I'm following, I'm actually quite surprised this is even a discussion. How could you possibly compare neanderthal "society" to that of today in any meaningful way?

Really, if you want to compare things in an overly simplistic means, you could compare anything and it loses meaning.

Until somebody comes up with a comparison that's not of this nature, I'm going to just observe the thread.

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No. They can't keep up with it, legislatively.
So?
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Not sure I'm following, I'm actually quite surprised this is even a discussion. How could you possibly compare neanderthal "society" to that of today in any meaningful way?

Really, if you want to compare things in an overly simplistic means, you could compare anything and it loses meaning.

Until somebody comes up with a comparison that's not of this nature, I'm going to just observe the thread.

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So?
The only difference between then and now is technology advancement. That's it. That's the only difference. I see where he's coming from...
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