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Apple Removes Vine from 'Editor’s Choice' for Featuring Pornographic Content

Sayer

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yg17 said:
Not everyone who watches porn is an addict who constantly watches it and can't go a day without it. It's like saying that anyone who has a drink with dinner is a raging alcoholic. Don't take away booze because some people can't control their addictions, and don't take away porn because some people can't control their addictions.
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Not everyone who owns a hand gun is a homicidal maniac who constantly shoots people and can't go a day without killing some one. It's like saying that anyone who has a so-called assault rifle is a homicidal maniac. Don't take away guns because some people can't control their psychotic behavior, and don't take away so-called assault rifles because some people can't follow the laws of the land and become criminals.
 
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pietrociao

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Porn is addictive, degrading and dangerous

pdjudd said:
So do you have any cites to back up the remainder of your post? And if you are going to cite scientific studies, they should be real studies that do real research (not compilation studies) that show that porn is highly addictive (more so than other common addictions) and is objectively easy to be exposed to accidentally (than say, common violence, or the internet in general - both which can be addictive) and the difficulty to recover compared to other addictions (like physical addictions like smoking, drugs, drinking, etc).

If you want to make sweeping claims about something, you need to provide evidence.

Porn can be harmful. So can many other things. Porn is not a disease that you can catch by looking at it. Addiction is the disease that should be treated.
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Please read this, there are plenty of studies: Drug of the New Millennium: Pornography 500mg -- http://www.amazon.com/Drug-New-Mill...23&sr=8-2&keywords=drug+of+the+new+millennium

and about how harmful and degrading it is for those women working in the porn industry, please visit https://www.thepinkcross.org/

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pdjudd said:
Cite please. And anything coming from people who have a known bias against porn is not a valid cite.



Legally and practically no it is not. There is a reason that pornographers do not get convicted for prostitution (its been tried before) is based on freedom of speech - a movie involving actors who following a narrative is different from a john picking up a random girl on the street (something that I see as little different from the intention of most dates).
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Please visit https://www.thepinkcross.org/ to see how harmful it is, how different the industry is from what you think.

And about addiction there are many studies presented in this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Drug-New-Mill...23&sr=8-2&keywords=drug+of+the+new+millennium
 
PracticalMac

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Welcome to the POLICE STATE of Apple!
Violators will be summarily executed!



Q, how many chose Android becuase of Apples stance on porn?
 
PracticalMac

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pietrociao said:
Please read this, there are plenty of studies: Drug of the New Millennium: Pornography 500mg -- http://www.amazon.com/Drug-New-Mill...23&sr=8-2&keywords=drug+of+the+new+millennium

and about how harmful and degrading it is for those women working in the porn industry, please visit https://www.thepinkcross.org/
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Porn is just a symptom, not the cause.

Their are endless pictures and videos of women (and men) on tape having sex, be it money or just enjoyment.

Those who are discovered loose jobs, careers, are given the scarlet letter.

Of course the men are given high fives (see Ron Jeremy).

Yes, pornography has unfortunate downsides, but is minor next to how a society treats women and views sex in general.

(long ago I read an article that suggest porn releases sexual tension, actually reduces rape and violence to women. Quick search seems to support that)


.... I think this should be moved to Social issues forum.
 
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pietrociao

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The problem with porn is not that it shows too much, but that it shows too little..

PracticalMac said:
(long ago I read an article that suggest porn releases sexual tension, actually reduces rape and violence to women. Quick search seems to support that)
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Many more studies reported in that book actually prove the opposite. Also, porn always leads to objectify women, seeing them as a source of pleasure, a collection of body parts. The problem with porn is not that it shows too much, but that it shows too little of the beauty of women by reducing them to physical attributes used for excitement. If you do porn it becomes harder to have real intimate relationships based on true love. Yes, we have instincts, but I real man is the one that can dominate them.

I agree with you about this thread going off-topic.
 
PracticalMac

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pietrociao said:
Many more studies reported in that book actually prove the opposite. Also, porn always leads to objectify women, seeing them as a source of pleasure, a collection of body parts. The problem with porn is not that it shows too much, but that it shows too little of the beauty of women by reducing them to physical attributes used for excitement. If you do porn it becomes harder to have real intimate relationships based on true love. Yes, we have instincts, but I real man is the one that can dominate them.

I agree with you about this thread going off-topic.
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I do not disagree with you,
however I think the much bigger issue is a society that objectifies women to a massive scale, and makes sex the ultimate goal at any cost.
I see little difference between a porn actress and one in very tiny, sexy clothing selling some product or other (at least the porn actress is honest about the message).

(To be clear, simply being nude does not equate to porn. Swimming or sunbathing nude for instance)
 
0dev

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This is one reason why I'm moving away from iOS. Seriously. Apple treats its users like children.

I have this on my Nexus 7, it's brilliant. The fact I can't get it on my iPhone because Apple thinks that after paying them craploads of money they need to shelter me from sexuality pisses me off, and navigating full size, non-mobile optimised social networking interfaces on a smartphone is just irritating.

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WestonHarvey1 said:
Apple isn't trying to take your precious porn away. Nobody could even if they wanted to.

They have storefronts, the App Store and iTunes Store, and they don't want to sell porn in those storefronts. Just like JCPenny and Best Buy and just about every other retailer in the world. Most retailers want nothing to do with selling porn.

Not sure why that's so hard for people.
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Which would be fine if Apple didn't limit customers to only buying apps from those storefronts, but they do.

It's also quite hypocritical when they sell Fifty Shades in the iBooks Store.
 
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WestonHarvey1

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It's also quite hypocritical when they sell Fifty Shades in the iBooks Store.
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Fiction typically isn't seen as pornographic (even when it is). It has a higher bar to cross. That's just the way that turned out for whatever reason. You'll find that book in tons of stores that would never dream of selling Hustler.

Ultimately, it's about what the company is comfortable with selling and customers will punish or reward the company with where they take their business.
 
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WestonHarvey1 said:
Fiction typically isn't seen as pornographic (even when it is). It has a higher bar to cross. That's just the way that turned out for whatever reason. You'll find that book in tons of stores that would never dream of selling Hustler.

Ultimately, it's about what the company is comfortable with selling and customers will punish or reward the company with where they take their business.
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Visual porn is fiction too, like James Bond. Just because it's a picture or a video doesn't make it non-fiction.

If anything Fifty Shades is probably more explicit than whatever porn was in that app, unless said porn was sourced from Kink.com.

I dunno about you but I reward companies who let me access whatever content I want on my own devices.
 
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Mactendo

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In the last 40 years western people were made believe that violence, killings and death is more acceptable than sex. Violence is everywhere: from daily news to TV series, movies and computer games. And while kids are growing up getting used to it, while such movies as Saw appears on big screen, the Big Brother pushes and pushes the idea that porn (a depiction of sex) is such a sick, pervert and prohibited thing.
 
michelepri

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WestonHarvey1 said:
Apple isn't trying to take your precious porn away. Nobody could even if they wanted to.

They have storefronts, the App Store and iTunes Store, and they don't want to sell porn in those storefronts. Just like JCPenny and Best Buy and just about every other retailer in the world. Most retailers want nothing to do with selling porn.

Not sure why that's so hard for people.
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Avoid making assumptions about people. Just because you have issues, don't involve tother people. Don't tell people what's precious for them or not. It's your personal problem.
 
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“We live in a world where we have to hide to make love, while violence is practiced in broad daylight.”

― John Lennon
 
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