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Old Oct 31, 2012, 01:22 PM   #401
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Battery last longer, much smoother OS, apps that don't FORCE CLOSE CONSTANTLY. Superior hardware design - solid, not like a pile of credit cards wrapped together, apps, apps, apps, very rigid control of software developed. Geeks that like to customize the hell out of their stuff love android and put up with the buggy system. Neat freaks that like order and stuff that works like Apple. I'm the latter. Had android last two years and got new iphone5. Miss google maps app. That's it. Period. Android is a fragmented mess

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IOS 6 has better sharing now. Default apps choice is a good one too.
Cant agree with much of what you said here. I don't know what kind of Android phones you had but im not experiencing any if that.Android does more stock than an iphone does jailbroken. Then when you root one its no contest.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 01:22 PM   #402
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IOS 6 has better sharing now.
I just wish it would integrate with third party apps. I don't use Facebook but the Twitter option is nice on iOS, I just wish other apps could hook into the share screen.

Perhaps iOS7 will bring this.
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I just wish it would integrate with third party apps. I don't use Facebook but the Twitter option is nice on iOS, I just wish other apps could hook into the share screen.

Perhaps iOS7 will bring this.
I find it so frustrating I can't share to DropBox on my iPad.
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I find it so frustrating I can't share to DropBox on my iPad.
I do too (on my 4S) it is so annoying. That is the only app that I wished worked. It's so simple on Android it's mind numbing, on iOS it's a process.
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Obviously some of this thread is a little out of date at the first few pages. But feel free to look at my blog that I've been writing on Android vs iPhones. I've been forced to use an iPhone as my Samsung galaxy S3 has had a hiccup and had to go to Samsung for repair. Therefore I've been given a iPhone 4 so I can use my micro sim card inside it. I've never used Apple products before, and so far it's been an interesting experience.

Feel free to have a good read at what I've found so far.

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Obviously some of this thread is a little out of date at the first few pages. But feel free to look at my blog that I've been writing on Android vs iPhones. I've been forced to use an iPhone as my Samsung galaxy S3 has had a hiccup and had to go to Samsung for repair. Therefore I've been given a iPhone 4 so I can use my micro sim card inside it. I've never used Apple products before, and so far it's been an interesting experience.

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I found your blog to be a good read. I have also found the "it just works" saying doesn't seem to apply to certain things that I tried to do on both Android and the iPhone. For me, the issues I had was moving contacts from an old phone to an Android vs. an iPhone and using a sound file on my PC as ring tone on an Android vs. an iPhone.

With regard to copying and pasting text, I had some difficulty positioning the cursor in the middle of the word. Someone then told me I had to do a long tap and get the magnifier before I can do that. I was pulling my hair out. The same thing when deleting an item from a list. I'm used to long tapping and bringing up a menu where I can select delete on Android. On iOS the long tap menu does not have a delete option. You have to swipe to get the delete button. I can understand the reason why iOS was designed this way and it does have some advantages. It is just these subtle things that really frustrated me those few times I had to use an iOS device as I am just so used to Android.
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Can't read 17 pages of posts, so some of my reasons may have already been mentioned.

I'm a musician, I need to be able to plug my guitar, bass, or electric piano into my tablet and cell phone to record tracks, use effects, and do amp modeling. Android doesn't have a stereo jack adapter, nor the apps to do what Amplitube, and Garage Band does, a long with dozens of other music production apps.

Instrument manufacturers such as Fender, Korg, Moog, and Propellerhead don't release their products on Android.

I haven't found an app that is equal to iTunes U on Android, which is something I use a lot since I am a history buff and enjoy lectures and courses.

iMessage, all my texts with all my friends is synced between all my devices (tablet, phone, and desktop). Same with notes, calendar entries, and tasks.

I have found facetime to be faster, easier to use, and more stable than Skype. Plus more of my friends and family have facetime than skype, so it's ideal for communicating with them.

iMovie and iPhoto are integrated with my desktop, and I havent found photo managing and video editing apps on android that are as good.

I don't have to run a virus scanner on my phone or tablet.

Gestures are done better, and screen scrolling is very smooth and not janky looking.

Street Fighter Volt is one of my favorite games, and I can't play it on Android. A long with countless other games.

A lot of apps on Android are ported from iOS, and are not native to Android. For example, if you have a Nexus 7 with its very sweet tegra GPU, and you download a very graphic intensive game from say Gameloft, like Modern Combat, it's not going to take advantage of the Tegra.

A lot of my apps are universal, so after buying them once, I get it for no extra charge on my second device. If I had both iOS and Android, I would end up having to double dip a lot, and that sucks. I would also lose the advantage of iCloud saving. I like being able to play Vice City on my iPad, then pick up where I left off on my iPod Touch when I am on the go.

Apple devices have better resale value than Android. This is beneficial for people who like having the latest and greatest and end up flipping their devices on eBay or Craigslist when a new model comes out.

Of course Android has a handful of benefits over Apple, and i've owned both and weighed the pros and cons before making my decision on what platform to stay with. I think everybody should do the same.
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Get iOS apps.
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Can't read 17 pages of posts, so some of my reasons may have already been mentioned.

I'm a musician, I need to be able to plug my guitar, bass, or electric piano into my tablet and cell phone to record tracks, use effects, and do amp modeling. Android doesn't have a stereo jack adapter, nor the apps to do what Amplitube, and Garage Band does, a long with dozens of other music production apps.

Instrument manufacturers such as Fender, Korg, Moog, and Propellerhead don't release their products on Android.

I haven't found an app that is equal to iTunes U on Android, which is something I use a lot since I am a history buff and enjoy lectures and courses.

iMessage, all my texts with all my friends is synced between all my devices (tablet, phone, and desktop). Same with notes, calendar entries, and tasks.

I have found facetime to be faster, easier to use, and more stable than Skype. Plus more of my friends and family have facetime than skype, so it's ideal for communicating with them.

iMovie and iPhoto are integrated with my desktop, and I havent found photo managing and video editing apps on android that are as good.

I don't have to run a virus scanner on my phone or tablet.

Gestures are done better, and screen scrolling is very smooth and not janky looking.

Street Fighter Volt is one of my favorite games, and I can't play it on Android. A long with countless other games.

A lot of apps on Android are ported from iOS, and are not native to Android. For example, if you have a Nexus 7 with its very sweet tegra GPU, and you download a very graphic intensive game from say Gameloft, like Modern Combat, it's not going to take advantage of the Tegra.

A lot of my apps are universal, so after buying them once, I get it for no extra charge on my second device. If I had both iOS and Android, I would end up having to double dip a lot, and that sucks. I would also lose the advantage of iCloud saving. I like being able to play Vice City on my iPad, then pick up where I left off on my iPod Touch when I am on the go.

Apple devices have better resale value than Android. This is beneficial for people who like having the latest and greatest and end up flipping their devices on eBay or Craigslist when a new model comes out.

Of course Android has a handful of benefits over Apple, and i've owned both and weighed the pros and cons before making my decision on what platform to stay with. I think everybody should do the same.
Lot of sentences just to say you like Apples stuff better, and thats fine. I have a few Apple products myself but only use the laptop a lot. My phone is a GS3 and i have a Mini and a Nexus 7 and like the Nexus 7 much more.
Agree facetime is better than Skype for video calls but its not like Skype is bad, and it does more things than Facetime and can be used as a free texting service instead of paying for texts on your carrier.

Anyways, i dont get why many here say you dont have to run a virus scan on your iPhone like owning a Android is some big virus risk. Just dont get that. Ive never run a virus scan on my Androids and have never had a problem or had a virus. Not sure who is filling your heads with that stuff but it just isnt true that there is a problem. I dont have a virus scanner on my PC either and there is a MUCH bigger risk of catching something on that than there is on my phone.

Like anything else, if your smart you wont get a virus on any of your electronics. Also, once buy an App from the Google play store, you dont have buy them again and there are many more free apps in the Google play store than there are in iTunes for the same Apps. Not trying to discourage or even have a debate, just saying some of your reasons arent real valid reasons.

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Interesting....im not a fan of iTunes at all. Prefer NOT to use it if i can help it and you really cant help it with a Tablet or a iPhone. There is no joy in iTunes for me.

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I find it so frustrating I can't share to DropBox on my iPad.
What can't you share/put into DropBox? (besides music)
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What can't you share/put into DropBox? (besides music)
If I come across a photo I want to put into DropBox, I have to leave the Photo app, tap into DropBox, then hit upload, find the picture, then hit okay. I can't share it directly from Photo (unless it's to either Twitter or Facebook).

Whereas if I come across a photo I want to put into DropBox on Android, I can hit the Share icon at the top of the photo, and pick DropBox (or any other third party app, including Twitter/FB) and click okay.
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Obviously some of this thread is a little out of date at the first few pages. But feel free to look at my blog that I've been writing on Android vs iPhones. I've been forced to use an iPhone as my Samsung galaxy S3 has had a hiccup and had to go to Samsung for repair. Therefore I've been given a iPhone 4 so I can use my micro sim card inside it. I've never used Apple products before, and so far it's been an interesting experience.

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Some good points on your blog, but I have a bone to pick with some of it

"With Android it gives you a massive list of apps that you can share your pictures with but on the iPhoneit gives you Mail, Facebook, print and copy.... ??? So how does the typical Apple fanboy, base the saying "it just works", on this? It clearly doesn't."

You would be expected to go to the app you want to share with on iOS rather than the gallery as it stands at the moment. Whether to go to the app or the gallery is just a matter of preference.

I would prefer being able to share to everywhere from the gallery and I think Android has a much better sharing system, I'm just saying that it's usually still possible to share to whichever service you want in iOS, as long as you have the app. You just have to go to said app.
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If I come across a photo I want to put into DropBox, I have to leave the Photo app, tap into DropBox, then hit upload, find the picture, then hit okay. I can't share it directly from Photo (unless it's to either Twitter or Facebook).

Whereas if I come across a photo I want to put into DropBox on Android, I can hit the Share icon at the top of the photo, and pick DropBox (or any other third party app, including Twitter/FB) and click okay.
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If I come across a photo I want to put into DropBox, I have to leave the Photo app, tap into DropBox, then hit upload, find the picture, then hit okay. I can't share it directly from Photo (unless it's to either Twitter or Facebook).

Whereas if I come across a photo I want to put into DropBox on Android, I can hit the Share icon at the top of the photo, and pick DropBox (or any other third party app, including Twitter/FB) and click okay.
Yep. Just like this. Open a webpage (Washington Post in this case) and I see a photo I want to share. Easy and right from the page to all sorts of apps, email, cloud storage... And of course easily attachable to a web forum, because Android has file management.
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Anyways, i dont get why many here say you dont have to run a virus scan on your iPhone like owning a Android is some big virus risk. Just dont get that. Ive never run a virus scan on my Androids and have never had a problem or had a virus. Not sure who is filling your heads with that stuff but it just isnt true that there is a problem. I dont have a virus scanner on my PC either and there is a MUCH bigger risk of catching something on that than there is on my phone.
My Samsung Exhibit II 4G had some persistent software issues. It would freeze up, icons would disappear, keyboard input lagged, apps crashed. I had a whole sequence of troubleshooting steps. Power cycling it, doing a factory reset, installing any new firmware updates, and running a virus scan.

Running a virus scan was just part of the troubleshooting step, and something I needed to do to eliminate the source of the problem being a virus.

Besides that, virus scans would run automatically when I would restart the phone, or reinsert my SD card, and thats not something I miss.

My preference for facetime, and imessage may be personal preferences, but the majority of my points listed are indeed things that are not available on android, and not preferential.
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What can an iPhone do that a android phone can't? [EDIT: and vice-versa]

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Anyways, i dont get why many here say you dont have to run a virus scan on your iPhone like owning a Android is some big virus risk. Just dont get that. Ive never run a virus scan on my Androids and have never had a problem or had a virus. Not sure who is filling your heads with that stuff but it just isnt true that there is a problem. I dont have a virus scanner on my PC either and there is a MUCH bigger risk of catching something on that than there is on my phone.

Like anything else, if your smart you wont get a virus on any of your electronics. Also, once buy an App from the Google play store, you dont have buy them again and there are many more free apps in the Google play store than there are in iTunes for the same Apps. Not trying to discourage or even have a debate, just saying some of your reasons arent real valid reasons.
You say you don't see why people say you have to run a virus scanner, then later on in the same post you say "if your smart you won't get a virus on any of your electronics." Well lots of people aren't smart when it comes to technology and that's exactly why virus scanners are important on Android.

Smartphones often contain lots of sensitive information that you wouldn't want to get into the wrong hands, so it's important that they're secure.

I developed a test app for Android and submitted it, and when I refreshed the page after submitting it it was available for download. No checking whatsoever. I could've written a horrendous virus and published it immediately.

The logic that because you have never had a virus, virus scanners are not needed, is extremely flawed.

FYI: I didn't use one either, but I understand their importance.
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You say you don't see why people say you have to run a virus scanner, then later on in the same post you say "if your smart you won't get a virus on any of your electronics." Well lots of people aren't smart when it comes to technology and that's exactly why virus scanners are important on Android.

Smartphones often contain lots of sensitive information that you wouldn't want to get into the wrong hands, so it's important that they're secure.

I developed a test app for Android and submitted it, and when I refreshed the page after submitting it it was available for download. No checking whatsoever. I could've written a horrendous virus and published it immediately.

The logic that because you have never had a virus, virus scanners are not needed, is extremely flawed.

FYI: I didn't use one either, but I understand their importance.
I submitted a test app for iOS too and it got accepted. I could look in the contacts and steal thousands of names, phone numbers and other sensitive information. I could submit an app that has access to all the phone functions and it would still be accepted by apple. Apple has tons of malware

At least with android you will see the permissions that you need to give to an app. Thats why if I download some obscure app and it wants to read my phonebook, internet access or wants to use services that could cost me money... I won't download it at all. Its called common sense.
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I submitted a test app for iOS too and it got accepted. I could look in the contacts and steal thousands of names, phone numbers and other sensitive information. I could submit an app that has access to all the phone functions and it would still be accepted by apple. Apple has tons of malware

At least with android you will see the permissions that you need to give to an app. Thats why if I download some obscure app and it wants to read my phonebook, internet access or wants to use services that could cost me money... I won't download it at all. Its called common sense.
You say you could do that, but how do you know that if you had actually submitted an app that stole information that it would have been accepted? They probably check where any data is sent to.

If your app was a wallpaper app and uploaded contacts to some random website, obviously that would probably be flagged as malware, but if it was an app like Facebook then accessing contacts wouldn't necessarily be stealing information, as the user would expect such an app to access contacts.

It's worth noting that you can turn on/off access to your contacts/calendars/etc at any time under privacy settings, and you will be asked whether you wish to allow access the first time an app tries to do so. . So it can't just happen invisibly, unlike on Android, where lots of people ignore the permissions screen!
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I submitted a test app for iOS too and it got accepted. I could look in the contacts and steal thousands of names, phone numbers and other sensitive information. I could submit an app that has access to all the phone functions and it would still be accepted by apple. Apple has tons of malware

At least with android you will see the permissions that you need to give to an app. Thats why if I download some obscure app and it wants to read my phonebook, internet access or wants to use services that could cost me money... I won't download it at all. Its called common sense.
You still have to "allow" an app to access functions in iOS. That's why you get messages constantly after downloading a new app "Camera+ Would like to access the camera roll" then you can say OK or cancel. Same with location services and contacts etc...

I feel its much better then Android. Every time I download and android app I glance at the permissions. Then if something doesn't seem right I weigh how much I want the app lol. If you made a camera app that stole my location in iOS I could allow it access to the camera roll but deny it access to location services, with Android its all or nothing without rooting...

At the same time I'm typing this from my Nexus 10 and have never had a problem with malware on Android.
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You say you could do that, but how do you know that if you had actually submitted an app that stole information that it would have been accepted? They probably check where any data is sent to.

If your app was a wallpaper app and uploaded contacts to some random website, obviously that would probably be flagged as malware, but if it was an app like Facebook then accessing contacts wouldn't necessarily be stealing information, as the user would expect such an app to access contacts.

It's worth noting that you can turn on/off access to your contacts/calendars/etc at any time under privacy settings, and you will be asked whether you wish to allow access the first time an app tries to do so. . So it can't just happen invisibly, unlike on Android, where lots of people ignore the permissions screen!
Actually there have been several documented cases of rogue apps being approved by Apple that have gone on to access and take data they weren't supposed to. Pretty sure they have all been reported on this site as well in the form of news articles
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Actually there have been several documented cases of rogue apps being approved by Apple that have gone on to access and take data they weren't supposed to. Pretty sure they have all been reported on this site as well in the form of news articles
I should have made it clear that I'm not suggesting for one moment that there is no malware/spyware on the iOS app store, merely that it would be harder to publish as there IS an approval process to get past, whether that be massively effective or not.
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You say you don't see why people say you have to run a virus scanner, then later on in the same post you say "if your smart you won't get a virus on any of your electronics." Well lots of people aren't smart when it comes to technology and that's exactly why virus scanners are important on Android.
You dont need a virus scanner on Android anymore than you would on an iPhone. What im debating is those who are saying it is a neccessity on Android phones and it isnt.
You need to be smart with your iPhone too so that was just a general statement. Much like you have to be smart when using eBay. The Google play store has reviews of every App for instance. Just do a little reading. Maybe saying you need to be smart is not th right word. Common sense is more like it.

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Maybe they did a simple virus scan of it. How long do you think that would take? A couple minutes at most? Maybe it is an automatic thing after submital? I really dont know but it could be. I do know they have caught some apps that were bad and have shut down those for rooting phones.

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They arent "needed" on a Android phone and i know no one that has had a virus on their phone or tablet. Id say they arent needed anymore than the iPhone or iPad is. There have been reports of malware in the App store.

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Android cannot do 3 things iOS can. And those 3 things are the ones that keep me from going to Android.

1. Android has no background audio API - Yes, a developer can code it into their app, but it is not an OS API, so the dev has to spend a lot of time on it, hence most devs don't bother with it, on iOS almost all apps that play either video or audio support background audio, including the browser.

Why is this good?

Well, sites like YouTube for example can be used not only for viewing videos but to listening to music, online lectures, etc... lots of stuff that does not really require "watching".

Here's what I do: I open Safari, find an interesting documentary, music, etc... background Safari, then go to the centralized audio controls, hit "Play" the audio from that backgrounded Safari starts playing. Then I open Chrome and browse for stuff... multitasking!

In the evening, before sleep, you can find ambient sounds on YouTube, start playing them in Safari and read a book or again, browse... if it's a rainy evening, I like to play "Bladerunner blues" soundtrack from Bladerunner and browse the web.

I'm sure there are specialized ambient sound, etc... apps that play in the background on Android, but I don't like to download anything extra that can be done in the browser just fine on iOS... and besides, those still won't have the support for centralized controls, cause Android does not have that.

P.S. I also know about TouchWiz's pop-out video, but that's only for the video player(not universal/API) and I don't need the pop-out window, just from the video audio.


2. Centralized Audio Controls - The first point brings us to the second point, centralized audio controls, VERY handy. Wherever you are, you can quickly bring up the task switcher and pause the audio of ANY app that current playing. Don't worry about forgetting which app is playing the audio, you don't have to into the multitasking search to find the app... just go to the centralized audio controls and hit "pause" conveniently the currently playing app's icon is on the right, so you can go to the app directly if you wish.

3. Rubberbanding/Edge bounce-back effect - I love this thing, Android has that edge glow, but it just does not compare. This little effect makes the UI feel much more responsive and alive. This is especially important with touch UI, since there is physical tactile feedback, when you swipe and the UI does nothing it creates a feeling that the phone froze, on iOS, if you swipe at the edge, you get a response - bounce back. Interestingly, this patent has been invalidated, so I hope Android gets this integrated everywhere.



Android has MUCH more functionality than iOS, but it still does not have the above three, if it had, I'd probably jump to Android.
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You dont need a virus scanner on Android anymore than you would on an iPhone. What im debating is those who are saying it is a neccessity and it isnt.
You need to be smart with your iPhone too so that was just a general statement. Much like you have to be smart when using eBay. The Google play store has reviews of every App for instance. Just do a little reading. Maybe saying you need to be smart is not th right word. Common sense is more like it.






Maybe they did a simple virus scan of it. How long do you think that would take? A couple minutes at most? Maybe it is an automatic thing after submital? I really dont know but it could be. I do know they have caught some apps that were bad and have shut down those for rooting phones.



They arent "needed" on a Android phone and i know no one that has had a virus on their phone or tablet. Id say they arent needed anymore than the iPhone or iPad is. There have been reports of malware in the App store.
No, they are definitely more necessary on Android. On Android apps can do whatever they want (within the confines of their sandbox) in the background. In iOS there's only a limited number of background APIs that apps can make use of, so there's less chance of them doing any harm in the background.

You can't scan new code for malware because it's new! Antivirus software usually works by looking at existing malware/viruses/etc and compiling a database of "signatures" or "definitions." This is why Antivirus software is constantly updated. Trying to detect viruses in new code would result in too many false positives being declined.

I've seen hundreds of people with airpush adverts spamming their notification bar. That's adware, but antiviruses should pick it up.

Once an app is installed on Android and you've accepted its' permissions (which many people don't bother to read), that app can do whatever it requested permission to do without further prompting. On iOS there are no permissions to accept at installation time; you have to accept at the time the app is actually trying to access your data.

Finally, the very fact that apps on iOS go through an approval process means they are LESS likely to contain harmful code.
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