These are WORLDWIDE sales figures. Trying thinking outside of the USA for a change. Do you have any idea how strong Samsung is in east Asia, particularly in their home market of South Korea which accounts for a significant proportion of their worldwide figures? America does not equal the world (even though this is hard for a few egocentric Americans to understand). What you saw at Disneyland means nothing.
You're fogetting (as I did) that Samsung also makes the Nexus 10 now....
I'd venture a guess that the Nexus 10 and Note 10.1 are probably the tablets that propelled Samsung's sales.
Why bother with facts when we can count on your trip to disneyland to tell us what the most popular devices are...
IDC on Wednesday released preliminary data from its survey of worldwide tablet sales in the big holiday quarter, and the only thing in the data that we can be sure about is that sales of Apple's iPad grew 48.1% year over year -- from 15.1 million to 22.9 million. We and IDC know this because Apple (AAPL) reported those unit sales figures last week.
The rest of IDC's report is almost entirely guesswork. It says that Samsung shipped 7.9 million tablets -- up 263% -- but doesn't say how it got those numbers.....
As for the rest of IDC's findings, they just get more bizarre. The press release says Barnes & Noble (BKS) "gained traction" in the tablet market, but the spreadsheet shows Nook sales falling year over year. Even more startling, the release says Asus lost share, while the spreadsheet shows Asus' market share nearly tripling on sales that grew 402.5%.
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What exactly is this data based on? Has Samsung released shipped or sold tablet data? If not where is IDC getting its numbers from? Surveys? How accurate is that?
Did you notice that this are worldwide tablet shipments? What you see or not see is, even if you travel around a lot, worthless. (If you travel around a lot it would still only be anecdotal evidence, thus still worthless.)
How many times should we go over this? Samsung does not have "sold" data. They do not sell them (in retail sense). Nobody has exact sold data. This is also true for Apple because they do not have exact data on sold tablets from WalMart, BestBuy, Staples etc. IDC and Gartner are the two most trusted sources for this type of data. So live with this. In just three years iPad, Apple's tablet market share fell from 100% to 80% and now to 40%. There is little doubt that it will be at 20+% in a year just like this happened with iPhone.
There is little doubt that it will be at 20+% in a year just like this happened with iPhone.
This is my point too. Forget about shipped vs sold, where are places like IDC and Gartner getting their figures from? Who, besides Apple is disclosing figures? Certainly not Amazon. And Samsung has thrown out shipped figures of their Galaxy smartphones but I've never seen any tablet figures from them. If these companies really are taking all this market share from Apple wouldn't they want to release sales figures to gloat about it?Exactly my point! These are not facts. They make about as much sense as my trip to Disneyland. Samsung has NOT announced factual numbers for tablet sales. IDC is licking their finger, sticking it in the air and trying to measure windspeed. Just about every forum user on every tech website that likes Android has touted and hailed the Nexus 7 as "awesome". People barely mention the Galaxy Tab. Heck they barely even mention the Nexus 10. The Nexus 7 is a combo of price and function that has tons of people buzzing about it. Also, keep in mind that the last time Samsung announced tablet sales it turned out that were fudging the numbers. They don't announce them anymore because it is easier to let IDC get it wrong. Ask yourself how many Galaxy Tabs you have seen compared to Nexus 7's in people's hands.
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So most people now decide that none of the various iPads are the best choice for them.
Somehow, I don't think that the Hedge Funds have much to worry about. Apple is a scrappy little underdog. They will survive.
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You are ignoring trends. Samsung is a company on its way up. Apple is a company on its way down.
Not saying Apple should undercut, but find a price point that is attractive.
Success of iPad mini seems to be more then just hardware. Lower end hardware, yet cant make enough of them (yet)
Sorry I don't have to live with anything. You still haven't told me where they get their data from. Even if a company doesn't have true sold data, they would have shipped. Has Samsung or Amazon released shipped figures for tablets? Ever quarter Apple releases figures. Where are Samsung, Amazon and Asus's figures? You can't tell me they don't know how many tablets they sold directly or shipped to resellers.
This is my point too. Forget about shipped vs sold, where are places like IDC and Gartner getting their figures from? Who, besides Apple is disclosing figures? Certainly not Amazon. And Samsung has thrown out shipped figures of their Galaxy smartphones but I've never seen any tablet figures from them. If these companies really are taking all this market share from Apple wouldn't they want to release sales figures to gloat about it?
IDC's Tracker Methodology
IDC's tracker data is developed using a rigorous methodology that includes well-planned and well-coordinated local, regional, and
worldwide data cross-checks combined with a proprietary advanced data consolidation and analysis data platform managed by IDC's
Worldwide Tracker organization. Data sources used in the process of determining IDC's tracker numbers include, but are not limited to:
* In-country local vendor interviews
* Distribution data feeds
* Worldwide and regional vendor guidance
* ODM data
* In-country local channel partner discussions
* Import records
* Feedback from component suppliers
* Vendor briefings and public financial reports
Ever heard of Google?
As a hint, since you probably need it, it's in the linked PDF file on the right....
Edit: Sadly, it doesn't seem that they visit either Disney World or Disneyland, or talk to friends of MacRumors commenters...
For example, the original Galaxy Tab sold more than 725,000 times and brought in $325 million, whereas Samsung sold only 585,000 Galaxy Tab 10.1 devices. On top of that, the 4G LTE version of the tablet only managed to bring in $81 million in revenue from 127,000 devices sold.
In total, Samsung sold only 1.4 million tablets, dwarfed by Apple's iPad figures.
So in other words, these are not numbers from the manufacturer and IDC is guessing.
And here are the numbers that Samsung had to reveal in court: http://www.zdnet.com/confidential-apple-samsung-sales-figures-outed-in-court-filing-7000002447/
Edit: Sadly, Judge Koh didn't ask for feedback from component suppliers and interviews with local vendors, because...you know...the manufacturers know what they ship...
IDC exaggerating Samsung's performance again in their estimates.
Never mind what Apple did, Asus makes the Nexus 7. Amazon makes the Kindle tablets. Now ask yourself how many Galaxy Tabs you have seen in people's hands compared to Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire. Galaxy Tabs sell at two and three times the price of the Nexus 7 and Kindle.
iPads are everywhere. I went to Disneyland for New Years and people were standing in line for rides playing with iPads. It floored me. I asked one couple about it and they were from Australia. They said it was their cheapest way to get internet connectivity. Another couple I saw did not speak English -- they were from China and their iPad min was displaying everything in Chinese.
I did not see any Kindles or Nexus 7 tablets at Disneyland - and certainly no Galaxy Tabs. This could have been because Kindle and Nexus 7 simply don't have cellular connectivity at the low-end prices at which they normally sell, but I have seen plenty of those tablets out and about in other places since people use them for reading. I never see a Galaxy Tab. In fact, the last time I saw a Galaxy Tab that was not on a store shelf or being offered as a free promotion with a Samsung TV was over a year ago.
There is no way Galaxy Tab is out-selling the Nexus 7 or Amazon Kindle Fire. These estimates for Samsung are insanely high. Even Android fans attest to the Nexus 7 being the most popular Android tablet.
I'm going to try to explain things for you.
These numbers are for US sales.
IDC is estimating worldwide sales.
Edit: BTW, what the IDC is doing is not guessing. Unless you for instance think that a pollster is guessing. Or someone estimating the number of wolves is guessing. IDC do what I wrote in my previous comment and from that they estimate the sales. When companies refuse to report sales or are unable to then this is the best way to get estimates.
Now you may not like their results, so please continue to bury your head in the sand. It worked so well with smart phone sales, didn't it?
Edit 2: The US is a subset of the World. (Just wanted to point that out.)
Ever heard of Google?
As a hint, since you probably need it, it's in the linked PDF file on the right....
Edit: Sadly, it doesn't seem that they visit either Disney World or Disneyland, or talk to friends of MacRumors commenters...
So basically NO sales/shipped data from OEM's. maybe this data is very accurate. But I still contend if these tablet sales were that strong Samsung, Amazon etc. would be shouting from the rooftops what they shipped/sold. Samsung has no problem doing it with phones. Also why does this data never seem to correlate with web usage stats? People who buy Android tablets don't browse the web? Or are we really supposed to believe they're all out there changing their browsers user agent? Yeah right. Outside of a small tech geek population how many people would even know how to do that?
What did you smoke in Disneyland that made you so delusional...
Your rant reminds me of Steve Ballmer who mocked iphone 5 years ago... .
Accept the fact and face the reality. You got floored because someone from Australia and China were holding ipad in disneyland doesn't mean Ipad dominates the world and also mars....
The fruit company is not going down but losing its shine..
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So, Samsung is getting trounced in the US (the largest tablet market in the world), Samsung is undoubtedly the biggest Android OEM, and IDC estimated that Android must be killing it everywhere else
Yea. logical.
So...again these are estimates and are not actual figures.
es·ti·mate
/ˈestəˌmāt/
Verb
Roughly calculate or judge the value, number, quantity, or extent of.
guess
/ges/
Verb
Estimate or suppose (something) without sufficient information to be sure of being correct.
But I'm burying my head in the sand....
What in the world do smartphones have to do with tablet sales??
Edit 2: Guess is a synonym of estimate. Just wanted to point that out. But by all means, continue to argue that "estimates" mean something...
So basically NO sales/shipped data from OEM's. maybe this data is very accurate. But I still contend if these tablet sales were that strong Samsung, Amazon etc. would be shouting from the rooftops what they shipped/sold. Samsung has no problem doing it with phones. Also why does this data never seem to correlate with web usage stats? People who buy Android tablets don't browse the web? Or are we really supposed to believe they're all out there changing their browsers user agent? Yeah right. Outside of a small tech geek population how many people would even know how to do that?
Please look at how estimate and guess is being described.
Guess - Estimate or suppose (something) without sufficient information to be sure of being correct.
Estimate - Roughly calculate or judge the value, number, quantity, or extent of.
Guess and estimate aren't perfect synonyms.
I could guess your weight or height and most likely end up be totally wrong.
I wouldn't be able to estimate either since I would need more information to do so.
And yes, these aren't the actual numbers, because those aren't available.
Much like there aren't any actual numbers until the election for the support of different candidates. Or there will never be any actual numbers on the number of wolves.
Do you think there should be no polls before an election? Should there be estimations about the number of wolves? Because you will never get the actual numbers about either, but they do make really good estimations of both...
Smart phones and tablets? That's more about the reaction to the numbers. It's a repeat of the reactions when Android started to gain on iOS.
You do understand that the world isn't a bigger version of the United States?
Things differ.
For instance, compare Apple's share of smart phones in the US with for example France and Germany. Or South Korea for that matter, Samsung's home.
Then why does the thesaurus say they're synonyms. Is your real last name Roget, AaronEdwards??
They're synonyms, bud. You can rewrite the thesaurus some more though, if you'd like. An estimate is a guess, a guess is an estimate. I do like how you're redefining language to prove your point though, that's pretty awesome.
You could also estimate my weight and be totally wrong. And you wouldn't be able to guess my weight since you would need more information to do so. See how that works? Synonyms!
and that makes IDC's number a guess...I'm sorry...an "estimate"
So if I say "I guess there are 10 million wolves" and then I say "but I estimate there are 20 million", my "estimate" is somehow more valid? Please explain.
No one is doubting whether an estimate or a guess is good, what I'm saying is to present a headline such as "Apple slips to 46%" based on estimates (guesses) is a little jumping the gun-ish.
No. It's not. Because Samsung announced their smartphone numbers. They announce every time the Galaxy line hits a milestone. They haven't announced anything for their tablets.
You do understand that the world's largest smartphone and tablet market is not peanuts, right? And that Apple is being compared to multiple OEMs against hundreds (possibly thousands of phones), right?
Apple has the LEAD in tablet market share and I STILL think it's a useless statistic. It means nothing. Like I said earlier, it's a good talking point for you guys, but it means nothing. Not to Android, not to Apple not to Samsung.
Companies don't report their market share every three months.
So what is the result of Android having all that market share?
Right now... Android has 5 TIMES the smartphone market share of the iPhone. Yet the iPhone is as strong as ever. More developers still prefer developing for the iPhone... despite its tiny share of the market.
You'd think with Android at 75% of the market... developers would be all over it. Are they?
So what is the prize Android gets for being the leader in market share?
Is it just being able to say they are #1 ?
I haven't seen Android turn that lead into anything useful.