HBO doesn't broadcast movies until almost a full year after they came out. They've always had that kind of deal with the studios. There would be no benefit to delay it even further when everyone else could have just rented the DVD from Netflix months ago or ordered it on PPV a couple of months after it left the theater.
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Apple in Talks to Bring HBO Go to the Apple TV
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HBO doesn't broadcast movies until almost a full year after they came out. They've always had that kind of deal with the studios. There would be no benefit to delay it even further when everyone else could have just rented the DVD from Netflix months ago or ordered it on PPV a couple of months after it left the theater.
Considering there are more networks now airing original content their point is valid. There is a ton of stuff not on NBC, CBS, ABC and Fox.
Because, in general, Apple wants to dictate very strict terms while the other guys are generally more cooperative. Apple wants to completely own decisions like price- as if one piece of media is equal to all other similar pieces of media. Is William Shatner's version of Space Oddity at $1.29 really equal in value to David Bowie's original? How about ****'s Rocket Man vs. Elton John's original?
A partner like Netflix lays out big coin up front to woo video players to play ball. Apple generally wants to woo solely on the revenue potential of a cut AFTER Apple takes it's cut first. I've seen decision-maker executives on the video side comment that they'd love to do a deal with Apple but "Apple wants everything" (meaning extraordinarily good deal for Apple but little-to-nothing for 'us').
And, all of the video players have seen what happens when you help Apple gain heavy domination over an industry. They don't want to find themselves in the same type of spot as their music industry cousins. Apple wouldn't even allow owners/creators of music to set their own prices of their own products. The video guys (and music guys too) would rather feel some pain by helping many other players be successful instead of just handing it all over to Apple.
Lastly, in Roku's case, that's their primary business. They are focused on making that as appealing as possible. They are not distracted by iDevices and computers and proprietary connectors and lawsuits, etc. Instead, they are focused on trying to do this kind of thing as right as they can do it. Apple refers toTV as a "hobby" (even 6 years on since releasing the first one) and they keep "pulling the string to see where it takes us" rather than getting very serious about it.
Apple easily has the resources to put at least as many human resources on forging deals as a much smaller company like Roku does. Apple easily has the cash resources to out-spend Netflix to "grease the wheels" with industry players to get major content deals done. IMO, it's mostly a lack of focus on this part of the whole. And too bad if true, as I think the whole market is theirs for the taking if they would just get very serious about going after it.
I suspect they are fixated on trying to make the (very pro-Apple) music deal again in a changed world where the next big target can clearly see the flaws in that deal for the Studios. Even the music industry hasn't allowed Apple to roll out any kind of Pandora-like subscription option yet, in spite of that rumor flying for what: 4+ years now? Why is that so hard to get done? Perhaps because Apple is a tough partner and the content owner's side of a "win:win" doesn't have enough win in it vs. doing such deals with others.
Super insightful, thank you! I see your point. You are right, add to it is that Roku do not have their own 'service' so they welcome Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, (and soon Google Play) and the rest with open Arms. No way on earth would Apple allow Amazon anywhere near Apple TV, they complete with iTunes.
But you see, for the average Joe like me, all I see is one device for $49+ which has a dozens and dozens of channels (and ironically, mimic's Apple's own App store concept but with 'channel store'), and another $99 device were there is a song and dance for every single content provider / service.
I hope Apple truly know what they are doing in this area, i would hate for them to be the new 'IBM and the hard disk' example.
HBO is owned by Time Warner Inc.. Time Warner Cable is no longer part of Time Warner Inc. They split up. TWC is now it's own separate company. They still have the name from when they were part of Time Warner but they no longer are owned by Time Warner Inc.
We cut the cable TV cord after getting the Apple TV for Christmas. I would be so happy if HBO Go on the Apple TV didn't require a subscription to the whole $85 mess of crap. We bought a $30 digital TV air antenna and get our local stations like NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, PBS.. switched our phone service to magicjack ($20 a year) so now the only monthly bills we have for entertainment are Netflix, Hulu plus and our U-verse internet. Way way cheaper than the $150 they were charging for all 3 bundled services.
tldr: HBO Go on Apple TV please, subscription based like Netflix!
tldr: HBO Go on Apple TV please, subscription based like Netflix!
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Honestly, who gives a ****? Wow, you can ****ing watch HBO (which requires a TV subscription) on a device that hooks up to your TV. Amazing.
Until HBO decouples from requiring cable, nothing has changed and nobody cares.
They're leaving money on the table. There must be people who would be perfectly happy to pay for the GO service but don't want to waste all that money on a whole cable package. Instead of making that money, people will just download illegal versions of the show or get the discs from netflix.
If you can't find anything on TV you'd consider great, I'd say the problem is you, not the programming.
So I wonder if Apple would allow HBO's skinemax on the Apple TV. We all know how much Apple likes to be the porn police, if you can call that stuff porn. Not that I've ever watched it or anything........
Have you looked at the titles they sell in the iTunes store? They don't have any problem with it there.
People who read the article/thread and actually understand what the service provides.
About time. I currently keep a mouse and keyboard in the living room so I can mirror to watch HBOgo and misc streaming like adultswim. It works pretty well and I'm glad I can mirror, but there is always some artifacting in the darker parts of the image (biiiig blocks of discoloration), even though the resolution is fine everywhere else. I've been told if I had a better wireless router this wouldn't happen but Netflix and other direct streams look perfect.
This. All of this. This is why I want HBO Go on the Apple TV or PS3, hooked to my television. There are numerous films and other programming on Go that DON'T run on regular rotation on the channels. They're only on Go. That's big for this consumer.
Uh, HBOgo offers pretty much the entire back catalog of HBO programming. Lots of people probably do care.
You only watch channels like CBS then.
Believe it or not, ever since cable got into original programming, TV quality has increased significantly. Take for example AMC:
-Mad Men
-Breaking Bad
-The Walking Dead
The first two are going to be remembered as some of the best dramas ever.
Then there's HBO. Since 2000:
-Game of Thrones
-The Sopranos
-Entourage
-Treme
-Generation Kill
-Curb Your Enthusiasm
-Six Feet Under
-Band of Brothers
-The Pacific
-Boardwalk Empire
-The Wire
-True Blood
-Girls
Most of these shows are vastly better than offerings from network television, ever.
From a number of additional channels:
-Homeland
-Shameless
-House of Lies
-Dexter
-Party Down
-It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
-Archer
-Parks and Recreation
-30 Rock
-Happy Endings
-Arrested Development (the best comedy ever produced)
-Lost
-Sons of Anarchy
-Sherlock
-Doctor Who
-Top Gear
-The Shield
-Suits
-Psych
-American Horror Story
-Modern Family
-Fringe
-Justified
-Friday Night Lights
-Daily Show/Colbert Report
-Futurama
-South Park
-Louie
-Cougar Town
We are in an outbreak of cable original programming, and I strongly believe that it's produced the widest and best selection of quality television in the history of the medium. I don't even think this is a debatable discussion. Either you're stuck watching the the four network channels only, or you have terrible taste.
Haha what? That's a completely bizarre statement. Television programming is probably at its highest point so far...
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Yeah, it's difficult to fathom the belief that there was some amazing, golden age of television past. What, when viewers were limited to 2-3 national networks? What a silly suggestion...
That's my point, make the Apple TV a more attractive proposition to the average Joe by including some of the free to air VOD services and Apple are bringing more people into the Apple eco system. Music and film purchases would surely be an inevitability and for those who don't already own other iOS devices I would imagine once they recognise how the Apple TV works alongside these devices hardware sales could be increased. For me personally, having an iPhone, iPad and iMac owning an Apple TV is a must have device.
This would be exciting, except I already get HBO on my TV...
...by turning on my TV and cable box.
Exactly... how about a subscription to HBO without cable on the ATV?
Seinfeld was on in the 90's. That must have made TV collectively better than all that is offered today.
Because these companies see Apple as a threat. They don't want what happened to the music business to happen to them. It is not Apple's fault.
It doesn't have the impact that it would if it didn't require cable subscription. Which would be game-changing.
This only matters to me if I can buy an HBO Go subscription. I have never had cable since I moved out of my parents house eight years ago. Right now I just wait the year it takes for the content to come to iTunes and buy it there but, I don't necessarily want to own it sometimes. I'd be willing to pay $15/month for HBO Go standalone. If they did the same thing with Showtime, that would also be awesome! This seems like a no brainer to me. That is $15/month straight into HBO's pocket, no middle man.
P.S. Amazon Prime Instant sucks rocks. I don't want that crap on my Apple TV. It's always buffering even on my 50Mb connection, iPad or MacBook Pro.
P.S. Amazon Prime Instant sucks rocks. I don't want that crap on my Apple TV. It's always buffering even on my 50Mb connection, iPad or MacBook Pro.
Then maybe Apple should subsidize it to get the ball rolling.
The fact is that HBO isn't going to willingly begin offering an a la carte program. It runs of the risk of upsetting cable providers, to the point where marketing based around HBO could take a drastic hit and cause a decrease in TV subscriptions. For a channel that finances everything without the benefit of on-air advertising, this isn't preferable.
Close, but not close enough
I like where this is going, BUT I still don't like it because, you have to be an HBO subscriber which means (unless I'm wrong here), you need a cable subscription service with a package containing HBO?
At least, I'm sure that's how it works here in Canada.
If I'm right, this is one huge reason why I cancelled TV. Tired of paying x amount for way too many crap channels.
If HBO said, hey, you can pay for our exclusive channel for x amount per year, I'd do it b/c I believe it's quality programming.
Needing to pay for other garbage channels....not buying.
BUT, if this is a step towards accomplishing that goal, I hope it works
Personally, I think that's one of the obstacles/delays Apple's facing in launching a full TV = not sure if they'll get the buy in from the HBO's of the industry to go direct.
Cutting out the middle man would definitely cause job losses, but the way I see it, people are cancelling cable and satellite as it is causing losses so it's inevitable.
Cheers,
Keebler
I like where this is going, BUT I still don't like it because, you have to be an HBO subscriber which means (unless I'm wrong here), you need a cable subscription service with a package containing HBO?
At least, I'm sure that's how it works here in Canada.
If I'm right, this is one huge reason why I cancelled TV. Tired of paying x amount for way too many crap channels.
If HBO said, hey, you can pay for our exclusive channel for x amount per year, I'd do it b/c I believe it's quality programming.
Needing to pay for other garbage channels....not buying.
BUT, if this is a step towards accomplishing that goal, I hope it works
Personally, I think that's one of the obstacles/delays Apple's facing in launching a full TV = not sure if they'll get the buy in from the HBO's of the industry to go direct.
Cutting out the middle man would definitely cause job losses, but the way I see it, people are cancelling cable and satellite as it is causing losses so it's inevitable.
Cheers,
Keebler
People keep saying this, but what is it that they've done "to" the music business? Have they gone under? Are people no longer buying music?
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If you read my posts earlier in thread, that's exactly what I argued for - subsidies. It's in Apple's interests to prove this can work and make it low-no risk for HBO (Time Warner).
It still is a big risk to HBO since they have relationships with every major cable provider.