Navy SEAL Chris Kyle "American Sniper." Shot and killed.

[citizenzen]

Originally Posted by Technarchy

Yes...Doctors and Lawyers.

Graphic designers?

[eric/]

Originally Posted by Peterkro

You don't get the concept of average do you?

Man how have I been making it through engineering school and into my first paid internship and not even know what an average is?

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Originally Posted by citizenzen

Graphic designers?

Actually, probably. They have a ton of different flyers and advertisements they use. You could definitely find a job (assuming everything matches and whatnot) if they are looking for people.

[citizenzen]

Originally Posted by eric/

Actually, probably. They have a ton of different flyers and advertisements they use. You could definitely find a job (assuming everything matches and whatnot) if they are looking for people.

You mean assuming that I were looking for them.

[eric/]

Originally Posted by citizenzen

You mean assuming that I were looking for them.

I'm just saying, you could find a job, keep in mind you would end up being a contractor

[citizenzen]

Originally Posted by eric/

I'm just saying, you could find a job, keep in mind you would end up being a contractor

Got a job.

[eric/]

Originally Posted by citizenzen

Got a job.

not you specifically

[FrankieTDouglas]

Originally Posted by glocke12

Some carry at home all the time. Guys I know that live in more suburban areas do this.

I live in a rural area, so don't feel the need to carry at home all the time, but I am never more than 5 seconds away from a loaded firearm.

First off, of course you live in a rural area. These types of places seem to be swarming with gun fanatics who live in fear every day of an imaginary boogeyman.

Second, you keep loaded firearms just sitting around? THAT is the actually frightening part of this whole thing.

[skunk]

Originally Posted by Peace

I'd like to know how a person can be labeled an "insurgent" in their own country.

A common misconception, encouraged by the Iraq war media and the Pentagon PR machine: "insurgent" was the word chosen to describe the armed opposition, because it made them sound as if they were "surging in" from outside, whereas it simply means "rising up". Sounds more evil than "the Iraqi Resistance".

[zioxide]

Originally Posted by skunk

A common misconception, encouraged by the Iraq war media and the Pentagon PR machine: "insurgent" was the word chosen to describe the armed opposition, because it made them sound as if they were "surging in" from outside, whereas it simply means "rising up". Sounds more evil than "the Iraqi Resistance".

They had to do that to make it seem like Al-qaeda was the ones behind the resistance in Iraq to make the whole war seem like a legitimate part of the war on terror and not just a war for oil and making haliburton money.

[glocke12]

Originally Posted by FrankieTDouglas

Second, you keep loaded firearms just sitting around?

well, they are not very useful unloaded now are they?

[FrankieTDouglas]

Originally Posted by glocke12

well, they are not very useful unloaded now are they?

An unloaded gun has never accidentally fired and killed someone.

[Technarchy]

Originally Posted by zioxide

They had to do that to make it seem like Al-qaeda was the ones behind the resistance in Iraq to make the whole war seem like a legitimate part of the war on terror and not just a war for oil and making haliburton money.

Odd. Lots of dead Iraqi Army after the big offensive in Kirkuk. Guess they were fighting phantom insurgents.

Also, strange because I recall conflicts with Ba'athists Loyalists, Mahdi Army, and followers of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi; last I checked, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was an Al-Qaeda affiliate right up until he got some justice by way of F16.

Then there was the issue of having to break up conflicts between foreign fighters and and Shiite Iraqi nationalist...guess there was no insurgency there either.

[anonymouslurker]

Originally Posted by Peace

If I knew it was a fact I would link to an article stating so.

Now can you link to a fact that there are more vietnam vets who commit murder than there are iraq vets ?

Also I was speaking about morality. Something you exemplified with your earlier statement.

Just an interesting read...

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/vsfp04.pdf

The latest numbers from the Bureau of Justice are unfortunately from 2004, with the next study set to happen this year.

I did not see anything specifically calling out homicide as broken down by period of service, but there were incarceration numbers just based on period of service.

Again, this is from 2004, while the "Iraq-Afghanistan Era" has obviously continued since then, so common sense says those numbers would continue to grow.

However, at the time of the report (2004), The second paragraph of the report states:

Vietnam War-era veterans were the most common wartime veterans in both State (36%) and Federal (39%) prison. Veterans of the Iraq-Afghanistan eras comprised 4% of veterans in both State and Federal prison.

All I could find related to the topic.

[stylinexpat]

Originally Posted by Peterkro

Yet they say Americans don't do irony.

Karma catches up with everyone my friend. He was well known for this quote "When I do go face God there is going to be lots of things I will have to account for but killing any of those people is not one of them." When someone kills another person God will hold them accountable for it.

[stylinexpat]

Originally Posted by glocke12

you need to read his book. he had specific ROE's he had to follow. The main one was that anyone he shot had to be posing a clear threat to US service members. This means he was only allowed to shoot people who were armed and either were, or looked like they were going to engage soldiers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#axzz2Js4Vh0rV

He was basically sent on a killing mission. He entered Iraq illegally just like all the other forces that invaded Iraq. Allowed to shoot by whom? Did the Iraqi people grant him a Visa to come over to shoot to kill? To the best of my knowledge the Iraq invasion was illegal to begin with. There was no unanimous UN vote in favor of US forces invading Iraq. China and Russia were against the invasion. Many in Syria are dying now and no one is doing anything about it because China and Russia Veto any ground invasion or any foreign forces invading Syria. This was the case with Iraq as well. Why invade Iraq and not Syria. What Bashar has done to his people is nothing compared to what Saddam did.

[Technarchy]

Originally Posted by FrankieTDouglas

An unloaded gun has never accidentally fired and killed someone.

An unloaded weapon is a crappy club. No thanks

[CalWizrd]

Originally Posted by FrankieTDouglas

An unloaded gun has never accidentally fired and killed someone.

My loaded guns have never accidentally fired. Ever.

I'm pretty confident they never will, either.

[lannister80]

Originally Posted by CalWizrd

My loaded guns have never accidentally fired. Ever.

I'm pretty confident they never will, either.

I'm sure that's what everyone with a dead spouse or kid thought...

[CalWizrd]

Originally Posted by lannister80

I'm sure that's what everyone with a dead spouse or kid thought...

Well, my spouse died in 1996 of breast cancer, and my kids are grown and long out of the house (although there were loaded firearms in the house while they were growing up), so that issue doesn't exist.

More importantly, it's all in the education and training, as well as some common sense.

Rule #1 in firearms handling... A gun is always loaded. You never, ever, point a gun indiscriminantly because it's "unloaded".

Another important rule down the food chain... you never insert your finger inside the trigger guard unless you are going to fire the weapon.

It's unfortunate that there are stupid people and/or careless people and/or simply morons in this world. It's much more unfortunate that some in one or more of these categories owns or has access to firearms.

But, stop painting with such a broad brush. For every stupid, careless imbecile with a firearm, there are probably ten thousand totally responsible, thoughtful and careful firearms owners.

[zioxide]

Originally Posted by CalWizrd

But, stop painting with such a broad brush. For every stupid, careless imbecile with a firearm, there are probably ten thousand totally responsible, thoughtful and careful firearms owners.

With the ridiculous stupidity and ignorance that runs rampant in this country it's probably the other way around.

[Eraserhead]

Originally Posted by CalWizrd

(although there were loaded firearms in the house while they were growing up),

Sounds like you're a responsible gun owner .

[anonymouslurker]

Originally Posted by Eraserhead

Sounds like you're a responsible gun owner .

Well, as one of those children, I can safely say that he was indeed responsible.

We could not access the firearms, nor did we try.

You know why? Because our responsible gun owner of a father taught us gun safety and responsibility. No issues whatsoever.

Why is it so hard for people realize that accepting personal responsibility is possible??

[zioxide]

Originally Posted by anonymouslurker

Why is it so hard for people realize that accepting personal responsibility is possible??

Because there are too many stupid people in this country who don't understand the concept.

If their stupidity and lack of personal responsibility only affects themselves on a particular issue then I don't care what they do. But when it comes to things like guns, where misuse or stupidity won't just affect the owner but plenty of other people too, then that's where there is a problem.

[Eraserhead]

Originally Posted by anonymouslurker

You know why? Because our responsible gun owner of a father taught us gun safety and responsibility. No issues whatsoever.

So did your school friends do a gun safety course before coming round? Or were the guns locked away then?

[anonymouslurker]

Originally Posted by Eraserhead

So did your school friends do a gun safety course before coming round? Or were the guns locked away then?

As I said,

Originally Posted by anonymouslurker

We could not access the firearms, nor did we try.