So we're slowly walking back the stupidity. First it's "not a ban", now you admit it is.
1) First time I've weighed in on the "ban" thing... so I "admit" nothing.... or I "admit" everything. However, it means I have not changed my mind.
2) You do actually, occasionally make, a good point. But because you bury them in insulting language they are not taken seriously. Your debating style makes it appear to be that of an immature student.
3) I edited out my "argue with adults" comment because .... well, it was childish.
The point made, and one that the estrogen enhanced ...
Are you insulting women here? tsk tsk
among this thread have yet to debunk, is that this BAN
Yep - it's a ban. Never said otherwise. It is a tool that can be used for good or bad. It is not a ban on Apple's Mac Pro - it is a ban on products that don't meet a certain standard. They also ban all sorts of other things. Like food that is not labeled as being genetically modified.
(Which, btw, effectively 'bans' a lot of US made food products.)
Why do you care? The EU is a democracy. They do what they want, and you do what you want. It's called a "free world".
While I would argue that raw milk and cheese should be available to individuals, certainly a counterpoint could be made that people HAVE died from these.
Yes, they do, sometimes. Everything kills somebody sometimes. But these products just co-incidentally were imported foods that were taking sales from domestic production in states with strong lobbies.
On the contrary, those of you supporting the nanny state have not only been unable to provide a single incident where someone was hurt, but not even a plausible mechanism for any injury whatsoever.
Not the point. In a perfect world the safety certification people will make a product safe
before anybody is hurt. This is called 'proactive' (rather than 'reactive'). Check the bottom of any of your appliances. If you are in North America, you should see either a UL or a CSA sticker - the two biggest safety standard organizations. It means that appliance was checked for safety
before it was put up for sale.
Not the EU regulation
does not ban the sale of Mac Pros. It bans the importation of Mac Pros after a certain date. Not having a UL or CSA (or similar) sticker in facts bans
the sale of a device.... a much harsher ban.
btw the US bans the importation of certain lumber products from Canada despite a free trade deal - how ludicrous is that, eh?
You could put ANY part of your body (use your imagination) into the fans on the mac pro and not sustain any injury beyond a slight red mark. And to even encounter a situation where contact would be made, you have to be mucking about inside, and in case you've forgotten to read your manual, there is a huge WARNING already in there about your chance of death if you dare to open it.
Not the point. The EU, with lots of warning and chances for appeal from all makers, enacted a regulation. Apple chose not certify their product. My suspicion is that the modification is trivial, but the certification is expensive. Other makers chose to certify at least some of their products. Apple chose not to. It's a free world, and free market, they can do what they want.
How far we have sunk. Our forefathers dare to explore the world, conquer the elements, build new lands.
On someone else's land, but that is another debate. I refer you to #IdleNoMore....
And people like you think it's fine to continue to sink the whole world deeper into regulation and governmental control in the asinine attempt to eliminate any possible tiny risk to our lives.
Grow a pair.
oooohh... another adult quip.... they just come fast and furious ...
Government regulations also
banned the use of child labour; sixty hour work weeks; drinking while driving; the use of uncalibrated scales in stores; using untempered glass that cut people to shreds in cars; the use of lead in paint (young children were licking paint); the use of lead in your drinking water pipes; the use of toxic materials in children's toys and clothing; etc etc
Safety standards are a tool - like bans - that often do good. Sometimes the people we elect go a bit too far. Is that their fault, or the people who gave them the job in the first place?
So... instead of "growing a pair" (a pair of what? - the mind boggles at the possibilities...) I will just carry on... thanks....
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This isn't a Europe vs US thing. I think that ban is stupid too.
No, it's not. But the poster I'm responding to is trying to paint the EU in a negative way, which implies that another nation is 'better'. I agree that this regulation needs to be looked at in a European context, to understand it.
There is no ban at the Federal level. There are some city, county, or state-wide laws that either ban or restrict it. In my area it is legal.
Are you sure? I will have to look into this. My understanding may be outdated.
