Pierce Morgan OWNED by Ted Nugent

[Happybunny]

Originally Posted by Squadleader

Some had labeled G.Washington as an extremist...He didn't use his right to free speech to fight the british, he shot them....

And in Afghanistan extremists also don't use free speech, they just use these.



So that in your mind is also good?

[Squadleader]

Originally Posted by Happybunny

And in Afghanistan extremists also don't use free speech, they just use these.

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So that in your mind is also good?

A foreigner projecting......????

[Happybunny]

Originally Posted by Squadleader

A foreigner projecting......????

While 2000 Americans die in Afghanistan more than 1,500 Americans have lost a leg or arm in combat and hundreds have suffered the amputation of multiple limbs.



Whats your point

[Eraserhead]

Originally Posted by Squadleader

Some had labeled G.Washington as an extremist...He didn't use his right to free speech to fight the british, he shot them....

Right. In the 18th century. And I'm sure he had widespread popular support.

In the 19th century the British put up a statue of Henry Havelock celebrating the Indian mutiny. In modern times the Chinese hardly put up a statue celebrating their brave generals actions in 1989 now did they? Even though the Indian mutiny was much more barbaric.

And everyone in the world has spent the 20 years after the Tianimen square incident criticising the Chinese constantly - no-one would have cared in the 19th century or earlier. The same criticism applies to the Israelis (certainly outside the US) - even though in historic terms the number of Palestinians they have killed is very small.

Times have changed - peaceful protests can't be crushed like they were in the past - and governments have much more media power. An armed rebellion won't be effective.

[bradl]

Originally Posted by Squadleader

Some had labeled G.Washington as an extremist...He didn't use his right to free speech to fight the british, he shot them....

Actually, he did use his right to free speech. He sent his diplomat, which would have been the predecessor to the Secretary of State to lobby for him: Ben Franklin.

Both Washington and Franklin knew that Might /= Right, but quite the opposite: Right = Might, and using both his words and his fists got us the country we live in today.

BL.

[Squadleader]

Originally Posted by bradl

Actually, he did use his right to free speech. He sent his diplomat, which would have been the predecessor to the Secretary of State to lobby for him: Ben Franklin.

Both Washington and Franklin knew that Might /= Right, but quite the opposite: Right = Might, and using both his words and his fists got us the country we live in today.

BL.

and dont you forget it...!!!

[bradl]

Originally Posted by Squadleader

and dont you forget it...!!!

We haven't.

Yet it was cowboy diplomacy, like those that Nugent and Bush have presented that got us into the situation we are in today. Even more so, someone wanting to present diplomacy is told "either my way or the highway", or is looked upon as 'soft'.

What a lot of people still need to realize is that words hit as hard as a fist, and if words can make this world better, then being on the right side of those words makes for the might of this country.

I'd rather have better and stronger words and wits than a gun.

Words can save lives; guns can only take them away.

BL.

[Eraserhead]

Originally Posted by Squadleader

and dont you forget it...!!!

Well except that violence is less effective now.

[Squadleader]

Originally Posted by Eraserhead

Well except that violence is less effective now.

Violence is extremely effective, good or evil...It immediately gets the attention of all...ie, "Never let a good tragedy go to waste"...Thats where our philosophies differ, could be upbringing, schooling or national..Best way to stop a bully is to use violence and punch him square in the face and make it bleed..He will then know if his tactics continue is will be costly...or you an talk him to death...I am of the Big Stick doctrine. You can not have peace, unless you are willing to back it up with total war-Captain James T. Kirk

[NT1440]

Originally Posted by Squadleader

Violence is extremely effective, good or evil...It immediately gets the attention of all...ie, "Never let a good tragedy go to waste"...Thats where our philosophies differ, could be upbringing, schooling or national..Best way to stop a bully is to use violence and punch him square in the face and make it bleed..He will then know if his tactics continue is will be costly...or you an talk him to death...I am of the Big Stick doctrine. You can not have peace, unless you are willing to back it up with total war-Captain James T. Kirk

Nice assertions, and a wonderful quote from a fictional character to rationalize it as well.

[citizenzen]

Originally Posted by Squadleader

Violence is extremely effective, good or evil...It immediately gets the attention of all...ie, "Never let a good tragedy go to waste"...Thats where our philosophies differ, could be upbringing, schooling or national..Best way to stop a bully is to use violence and punch him square in the face and make it bleed..He will then know if his tactics continue is will be costly...or you an talk him to death...I am of the Big Stick doctrine. You can not have peace, unless you are willing to back it up with total war-Captain James T. Kirk

So wrong on so many levels.

But not unexpected.

Nice quote from a fictional character though.

He really knew what he was talking about.

[Squadleader]

Originally Posted by citizenzen

So wrong on so many levels.

But not unexpected.

Thank goodness, you are not the arbitrator on what is right and wrong, although most cowards think they can be...<plonk>....

[citizenzen]

Originally Posted by Squadleader

Thank goodness, you are not the arbitrator on what is right and wrong, although most cowards think they can be...<plonk>....

Was Jesus a coward?

Never mind ... you obviously don't believe anything He taught.

Silly of me to even bring Him up.

Though some people find Him inspirational.

[Eraserhead]

Originally Posted by Squadleader

Violence is extremely effective, good or evil...It immediately gets the attention of all...ie, "Never let a good tragedy go to waste"...Thats where our philosophies differ, could be upbringing, schooling or national..Best way to stop a bully is to use violence and punch him square in the face and make it bleed..He will then know if his tactics continue is will be costly...or you an talk him to death...I am of the Big Stick doctrine. You can not have peace, unless you are willing to back it up with total war-Captain James T. Kirk

Violence is achieving so many good results in Israel-Palestine. And it achieved so much for the Basque .

I guess you could argue it achieved something in Northern Ireland - but the peace talks only started after the violence stopped.

And on the peaceful side - well India is still British ruled as Ghandi didn't achieve anything.

[eric/]

Si vis pacem, para bellum

And George Washington was a bit of a fan of it as well